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Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 10:34am

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And like a dead mall, the saddest part about it's demise is how fuzzily and slow it falls to nothingness in its demise.

There's no heart or spirit or community here anymore, and barely more than 15-20 people on the Hitfilm forums actively posting. And even then, the breadth, complexity, and communal aspect of the posting just isn't there.

I don't know what to do here, but I'm greatly saddened by this slow, inevitable change and the bitter realization of it.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 4:32pm

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That was very poetic Atom, and I would agree. It does seem like there is much less communal aspects in the hitfilm forums. There is definitely something missing from there that we once had here. I find it rather annoying and boring to try to frequent the hitfilm forums as nearly nothing on there ever applies to me in any way. Most times it is a bunch of little kids posting like it is youtube.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 5:20pm

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HitFilm and its forums are only three months old, so I think it makes sense that there's not much going on over there just yet, but it'll grow. I don't have any statistics, but I'd imagine the AlamDV forums weren't exactly party central when they first started up either. Right now HitFilm is full of a bunch of newbies, probably a lot of people who haven't even posted in forums before. It needs time to sort things out, but eventually I think it'll be just as social and interactive as Fxhome once was.

Still, this can't have come as a surprise to you? Even before HitFilm, posting here was pretty damn slow a lot of the time. I'd say it's been on a slow decline for a long time.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 5:38pm

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That's odd... I was just thinking about the forums this morning, and for some reason I decided to log back in to my FXhome account. I haven't been on the Hitfilm forums in at least a month and it's been since early July (I think) since I've been on this forum.

I can't really explain why, but I haven't really bothered with checking either of the forums since the new software came out. It's sad to see a community that was going strong as a film making hub for 10+ years suddenly cease to have the spirit and passion it once had. I think splitting the forums (as much as it may have been necessary) was a bad idea because they have lost a significant number of dedicated contributors.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 5:59pm

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I have to agree, I just don't get the same feeling from the Hit Film forum as I once did here. I think it has to do with the odd forum format and the different type of crowd over there. (just my opinion)
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 6:03pm

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It's less a matter of the Hitfilm forums being new and more a product of them being built into a newer generation of online discussion. Not just in the age of it's primary userbase, but in the nature of online communication and the dissolve of communal internet hearths altogether. With the advent of facebook and twitter, people are more insulated in offering their thoughts to an open audience, and being receptive to others doing the same. There's no necessitated 'community', because users don't have a need for that anymore, not when starting fresh on a new concept like Hitfilm, where they've already got social media accounts doing the job.

Fxhome largely works because of 'the machine' that constantly grandfathers-in the old ways of online discussion. Sure, I have a Facebook account that I regularly use, but my connection and membership on Fxhome precedes it, and that carries some weight in where I prioritize my communal efforts and opinions.

The cool and particularly special/genuine thing about this, and about Fxhome, is that while you may get the next-generation 14-year-old newly joining with a better knowledge and experience with self-selling social media outlets, he or she ultimately respects the rules of the game on the Fxhome forums, and we all grow to know and learn from eachother to a greater degree because of it.

When you come into a place with history, with a community, you want to understand and be a part of it. That's what has made Fxhome the single, only place I've regularly frequented on in my entire computing life.

Certainly Hitfilm represents a fantastic step for the company, and I'm very happy for and proud of the guys for shifting and progressing the way the company seems to be- and I'm not knocking it at all. There are fantastic things about the new forums and the functionality of meshing with blogs, twitter, YouTube embedding, and Facebook are all most-definitely great and more-efficient tools, even for me, to get my work out there.

But, inevitably, it's the hyperconnectivity on multiple outlets that disperses the community from being strong on one. Be it in real life, in clubs, on the phone, or on good old fashioned forums.

It's a sad, inevitable truth of the modern age of the internet. It's not all so bad, but it's sad nonetheless. And as I've been here with this community for all of my adult life and half of my childhood adolescence- I guess I'm just sad to see the final wave of this place finally crash and settle to a stillness. Because that's where we're at.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 6:25pm

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Atom wrote:

I guess I'm just sad to see the final wave of this place finally crash and settle to a stillness. Because that's where we're at.
I guess that is what it boils down to for myself also. Fxhome/Hit Film is a business and they have to recruit the new younger crowd of film makers for its sales. Its just the Fxhome forum always felt like a home away from home, not just a support forum like Adobe.

Time doesn't stand still for anyone, and us old folks just got to move on...lol
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 9:39pm

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(edited for justice)

I think Hitfilm forums need more moderation, some stickies, and more real topics. The initial topics are hardly topics at all; they are mostly self-serving, made without effort, and with the vaguest (and longest) of titles. People don't know what to do: they seem to be new to filmmaking, new to each other, and often new to the internet in general.

It's hard for anybody to get to know anyone with all the fluff on there. I don't care about their tests, or even their projects, or what they think Taken 2 will be like, because I don't know them and they don't currently have any credibility to me. Those kinds of topics need to be eased into, so the community itself can weed out what the community considers "spam." To me, I feel the urge to just move on, as I don't know if a posting relationship with them will benefit me in any kind of way. Once it does become properly active though, I'm sure we will fit right in. But we might need to organize a bit, and be part of what makes it become active. Even Hitfilm forums have been slowing since the awkward start. But I think if we don't make somewhat of an effort, Hitfilm forums will become something else for sure. We're at the point where we can move on, but I say why not keep it together?

It would be sad to see this community dissipate just because we were given an opportunity to move on, opening the forums up for a new kind of userbase to completely take over. There aren't many communities like this left on the internet. I'm glad we can all remain in touch on here, through Facebook, and the like. Maybe we can get some more community-oriented topics going over there. I don't know, but what I do know is that I'm completely willing to help in any way I can. We're worth it, we have a history, and we're still here. If things move on, c'est la vie. I've got my eye out on plenty of you, and hope we stay in touch and end up working together some day.


Poetic indeed, very well-said.
Posted: Sat, 17th Sep 2011, 11:49pm

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I feel I'm still in kinda a noob stage here, as I only joined in 2007. I haven't gotten to know most of you all that well over the past four years but in the last year or so leading up to Hitfilm I began to feel like a real part of the community, and when I started on Hitfilm I felt like that was lost, as everyone seems to have agreed on. I agree with Serpent, I'd really like to see Hitfilm become not just a forum but a community, and although I wasn't here as long as many of you, I'd be willing to do all I can to help get it there.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 7:03am

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This is why I sadly don't feel the need to post much here anymore. But like Serpent said, I hope to work with at least some of you in the future.

I gained so much from being a member of this community. Thank you everyone for their contributions, whether I agreed with you or not.

To the FXhome team, I know you're reading this. I'm curious to know what you think.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 8:15am

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Hey guys, I'm sorry to hear some negative thoughts towards the direction we've taken things. The idea of the HitFilm community was to create the environment and tools that you guys have been asking for for years - from simple but essential things like YouTube embedding, to better image and attachment features, a more attractive look and feel and more prominent profiles.

Personally I had hoped that more of the regulars from FXhome.com would move over to HitFilm.com at an early stage. It really is the same community, run by the same people, but focused specifically on filmmaking rather than having the mix of PhotoKey bundled in.

As always, a community is what people make of it. The FXhome filmmaking forums had been on a slow decline for the last few years, mainly because we hadn't brought out a new video product for a long time so there wasn't that core product to keep people invested, as in the AlamDV and VisionLab early days. We now have a video product that is light years ahead of anything we've done before, and we're seeing that core community start to build again.

As for the new people over at HitFilm.com - that's always how it goes. FXhome.com has always had a steady influx of new people, some of whom fit in better than others. It's why I'd like more of you FXhome veterans to establish yourselves at HitFilm.com, because that's how a community shapes itself.

Take RodyPolis, for example. He's been a respected regular at FXhome for years, and he made the switch to HitFilm pretty early. He's already a highly respected user amongst the newcomers for his amazing tutorials. In turn, his approach and attitude has established the tone for everybody else - a tone of aiding each other, being kind and polite and responsive. In other words: the core traits that have defined the FXhome community in all its forms over the years.

I've been really impressed with the newcomers at HitFilm.com - they've 'got' the FXhome vibe pretty quickly. It's a civil, friendly place with decent discussion. It hasn't descended into internet madness. I hope you guys will head over there - it really is the same place, just with a different name, and better tech and design.

Atom has an interesting point about how the rise of social media has splintered and changed the concept of community on the internet. I see it as an opportunity rather than a problem, though. Not just from an FXhome-business point of view, either, but as an individual. It broadens things out, certainly, but it also deepens interactions if you embrace it.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 8:24am

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I've been confused why some old school FXhomers moved to HitFilm instantly while others have decided not to. We are working on upgrades to the HitFilm community which would simply be impossible here at FXhome.

Also, there are far more active people posting over at HitFilm.com than there have been at FXhome.com for years. Why must change be labelled negative when already HitFilm.com is building up so well? Just like the software itself, the website over at HitFilm.com is so much better than anything we've done before.

I hope you guys do give it some time and start posting over at HitFilm.com as your support and friendship is very important to us.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 8:44am

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It's not so much negative as it is averse to an, admittedly, different experience and place.

From my perspective, as I've mentioned here, it has less to do with the people on it and much to do with the current climate of online discussion. The fall of the FXhome forums and rise of Hitfilm's is futile in the scheme of this shift- it was just nice to see some, very few places (but this was one of them), hold onto the older, less insulated 'social' and more-personable ways of internet.

Hitfilm may very well be a huge success and climbing forums with great growth- and I'm sorry if I sound like a huge Negative Nancy here- but I don't see it. And I think this reason is because quality impressions and quality discussion simply isn't there. And that's because it just doesn't exist in the age of single-sentence-here's-what-I'm-doing-Twitter/Facebook culture. Now I understand the advantages to that, obviously. And I embrace the future of social media. (I even work as a marketing executive and social media consultant at my current daytime job!) But I think there's still an undeniable splinter in the very concept of an online community because of it. Because you're now tailoring your online life to your online profile.

The fact that I can think-out this lengthy response and write it here and no it matters and that my friends on here will read it says enough about the difference. Why would I want to go to a party full of strangers when my friends are already at my house, ya know? wink

Think of it this way- instead of purchasing a house, moving in, and getting to know your neighbors on your block- you're now instead building your house in an open lot and building houses for your friends around that. The very terms of what a 'community' is has changed, even if the core concept is there. There's no happenstance to how your react or who you meet, because your online life has a much higher level of hyperconnectedness and control now. It's a totally different ball game.

And the same is true for Hitfilm.com not a dynamic arena for conversation, it's more an 'information exchange'. I post my thought or opinion on something, and someone else outs theirs, and the list of 'I offer my pespective' continues. It's a list-o-rama of 'where are you from?' and 'what's your favorite color?' topics ad nauseam. But, at least in my opinion, there's no spark there. No genuine, reflexive interest in hearing what other people say and communicating for the sake of conversation. Not yet, at least.

I mean, I'm a word machine. I can sh*t out letters all day. But if no one reading them cares- if they're just waiting for their turn to talk- then what's the point.

Like I said, this has little to do with you guys or Hitfilm, and much more to do with the sad inevitability of one of my favorite places in the world online finally closing it's doors. However similar Hitfilm.com may be, it's still irrevocably different.

As for why more people didn't immediately move over- I believe it's because there was a lack of motivation and clarity on the future and outline for these forums even when Hitfilm was announced on the part of the FXhome team. When confronted with the question of 'what will happen to this place, then?' the answer always seemed to be 'Ehh, we don't really know. Just go sign-up on Hitfilm.com'. Additionally, there hasn't seemed to be any migration of any members or features or forums from here to there, which I completely understand- but it sort of leaves the question of 'Why would I change houses when all of my furniture is already in this one?' there was no impetus to leave. No dire finish.

I'm not saying I necessarily feel this way, because I don't quite- and I gave the Hitfilm forums my best shot- but having been here for 7 years, and with little pressing motivation to leave, I can see how veteran users would be less than enthused to uproot and star anew with a bunch of newbies in that awkward beginning stage altogether.

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Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 9:03am

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If there are no quality discussions over at HitFilm Atom, might I suggest you go and start some. Your posts here at FXhome have often been some of the most active ones and we would love that to carry over to HitFilm. It might take a little time for them to have the impact they have had here in the past, but I think in time the impact will be greater! smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 9:07am

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Took too much effort, I suppose. As controversial as I can be, my life is admittedly busier and more multiple-faceted than it ever was even 18 months ago, and spurning quality conversation online is such a time-consuming trial-and-error from the get-go.

I, for instance, posted my movie project on the forums and tried to update it- but found I got little to no response, and it just wasn't worth my time because it wasn't a place I cared enough about. Additionally, I wrote a very thought-out, very personal, lengthy review of HP7 Part 2, with no responses following my entry. And so it was like 'pffft, okay?'. unsure

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Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 9:13am

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As Aculag said, FXhome has been in decline for a long time as a community but HitFilm is on the way up. If there was ever a time when something was worth the effort I would say now is that time. Without effort things will never move forward or improve. smile
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 10:13am

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I think it's interesting that people consider HitFilm to be a new/different community, rather than a continuation of the existing one, I hadn't really expected that. We've reskinned, renamed and updated things in the past without too many problems, but admittedly this leap was a lot bigger than our previous efforts.

I can understand the large influx of new people causing issues. It always takes a while to fold new people into our more thoughtful community, especially when lots of them turn up at the same time. But hopefully it's just a case of leading the way and giving them some time to adjust. I'm sure we can retain the same community ethos, but with stronger numbers.

I do wish we'd found a way to migrate the current posts and accounts to the new forum software (unfortunately it wasn't technically possible). I think that history would have helped give a bit more weight to the new forum, and helped older users feel more ownership over it. I don't think it'll be long before that builds up again though.

I guess the problem for us now is do we try and make some quick changes, or do we give things a bit more time to settle down first? I've reread this topic a few times now, and whilst I can see that some people feel like something is wrong, I can't really pinpoint anything specific that we could work on. As always, suggestions are welcome.
Posted: Mon, 19th Sep 2011, 10:21am

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As loath as I am to reduce this conversation to a design analysis, I think the hitfilm.com community could still withstand some improvements which might increase migration of fxhomers and increase registrations/posts generally.

The familiarity of clicking "community" and going straight to the forum has gone, also once you're on the hitfilm community homepage the forum appears to be given no more weight than twitter or youtube. These new social media networks are all about comparing e-penises - having more followers, being connected to company employees on a first name basis, appearing to be connected. Forums just can't compete. Given the choice, new users would probably prefer to follow you on twitter than go through the tedium of registering a website account. For fxhome users it feels slightly deflating to see that your "precious forum" has been relegated to just another social media connection. A forum where you could use OAuth to register an account using your twitter credentials or Facebook might help.

The forum topic list has also changed subtly towards a more friendly but less information-rich display. Where previously it was really simple to read a list of topics and see what was new and what wasn't, now the eye is repeatedly assaulted by distracting avatars and really tall reading lines, which makes rapid groking of the general "status" of a board harder.

I can totally see why this has been done, but from an fxhomer's perspective this is a step change. Heavy use of avatars at the topic-list level (rather than raw text as on fxhome) suggests that hitfilm is more about fostering fickle qualities like your ability to choose a cool avatar rather than hard-hitting data and discussion. To an FXhomer who has been a big fish in a small pond for the last 5+ years the apparent emphasis on avatars rather than data may make it seem like their status is being undermined, or perhaps that the "serious" nature of FXHome itself has been diluted by pretty pictures.

It reminds me of the sterling work Malone did many years ago to prevent the Signature Wars of the early fxhome forums. No one gave a damn about anyone's latest film, or crappy website which they advertised with MASSIVE banners in their sigs, so Malone defaulted the forum to only showing a few pixels of signature. Signature on FXHome are still rather too prominent for my liking but that isn't the point: style was sacrificed for substance for the better IMHO. I suspect that the fxhomers showing some reticence are the ones who considered fxhome's forum to be more hard-core than the company judged, which makes hitfilm's friendly, more youthful appeal seem rather vapid by comparison.

I don't expect anything to be done about these points, particularly as I have very little to do with the communities these days, but its worth bearing in mind how hit film appears to a died in the wool fxhomer.
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I may be the only one, who feels this way but I'll share my opinion anyway.

I have been at Fxhome for just over four years, not as long as many of you. For me, I feel that 2010/11 was big for me here at Fxhome because for the first time I felt like a respected member of the community. I started out here like many people, ignorant, close-minded, and loud mouthed. I quickly realized (due to a rather rude awakening) that this forum holds itself higher than most. That this isn't youtube, or facebook. I then quit posting and watched. I spent probably four or five months just watching the forums without posting to see how things worked, and recently I feel I finally broke the noob mold.

Now, as I see the way the hitfilm forums are being handled, I feel like everything I learned about respect and intelligence on these forums was thrown out the window. Not to say that there is no respect or intelligence, just that it is not nearly as prominent as it is/was here. When I browse the forums over there I feel like the forums are mobbed with new users that don't seem to have respect for the "old timers" of fxhome, and why should they? I remember when I first got here, I got reprimanded by Atom on a number of occasions, which was definitely deserved. At the time I had no respect for him. I don't remember exactly what happened but what I do remember is that no matter who I decided to talk to on Fxhome, even if they didn't agree with Atom's rash manner of doing things, they did agree on what he had to say. I, quickly learned to respect him and many other veteran users. To me, in the hitfilm community, that sense of respect is gone.

I'm not saying that the Hitfilm Forums are by any means broken or defective, but rather new and a rather hard transition from these old forums. I may be the only one, but I definitely feel like the new forums are less of a continuation of these, and more of a fresh start. I think, for now anyway, I'll wait to see where the forums go before I jump in with both feet.
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Biblmac wrote:

I may be the only one, but I definitely feel like the new forums are less of a continuation of these, and more of a fresh start. I think, for now anyway, I'll wait to see where the forums go before I jump in with both feet.
That's your choice, of course, but remember that a community is what you make of it. That is, literally, how communities work. smile If you want it to be something, you have to be a part of it, and influence it in the way you want. Otherwise it will, inevitably, go somewhere else.

Everybody looks for something different in communities, though, so everybody has to make their own individual decisions. So far HitFilm.com's community feels like a direct continuation of everything we've been doing for 10 years - same tone, same sense of respect and friendliness. Sure, there isn't that same familiarity among users, but that's inevitable. But I'm already starting to notice people and pick out names of people whose posts I look out for.

I do hope we see some of you guys over there soon.
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I think that because Hitfilm.com is still in it's infancy, and because it accompanied and supports the release of a new product, most of what is being posted on the forums at the moment is very much to do with visual fx and the various things people are doing with the software.

This place no doubt started out the same way, and has gradually become, at least in my mind, a place for more general film making and related discussion. The sort of stuff I am interested in reading and looking at are things like production threads, behind the scenes etc, rather than vfx tests. Also that's the sort of stuff I like to post. So at the moment I just haven't seen anything interesting on Hitfilm yet, but it will come with time as people develop projects and relationships beyond this initial phase. I have never been a particularly prolific poster anyway, but I fully intend to use Hitfilm.com to make a production thread as soon as I have a film on the go.

On a very vain and selfish note, it does feel a little unfortunate to have built up a reputation on here and an interest in my stuff only for that to be effectively cut off in the transition to hitfilm. But, like I say this is just my ego and I look forward to giving the hitfilm forums a go and seeing what happens.

So yeah, change is tricky, but I want to see what people are doing so don't stop posting!

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Xcession: thanks for the useful feedback, those are definitely things we'll keep in mind as we evolve the design.

Xcession wrote:

The familiarity of clicking "community" and going straight to the forum has gone, also once you're on the hitfilm community homepage the forum appears to be given no more weight than twitter or youtube. These new social media networks are all about comparing e-penises - having more followers, being connected to company employees on a first name basis, appearing to be connected. Forums just can't compete. Given the choice, new users would probably prefer to follow you on twitter than go through the tedium of registering a website account. For fxhome users it feels slightly deflating to see that your "precious forum" has been relegated to just another social media connection. A forum where you could use OAuth to register an account using your twitter credentials or Facebook might help.
The community home page is something we've always struggled with. We used to have a similar page on FXhome (before we went with separate "News" and "Community" tabs) but it never really worked. We're already on the second HitFilm revision of that page and we're still not 100% happy with it. The idea with that page is to compile an overview of everything that's happening with regard to hitfilm, regardless of where it's happening. But obviously not all that information is going to be important to everyone. I can totally understand some people only wanting to see what's happening on the forum and having no interest in twitter/facebook. I wonder if some sort of customization or filtering options would help there.

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The forum topic list has also changed subtly towards a more friendly but less information-rich display. Where previously it was really simple to read a list of topics and see what was new and what wasn't, now the eye is repeatedly assaulted by distracting avatars and really tall reading lines, which makes rapid groking of the general "status" of a board harder.
I do agree about the avatars. I was hoping they'd make it easier to re-find topics you were interested in, but I'm not sure that works. Maybe having them down the right-hand side would work better. The information on those pages is pretty much the same as fxhome, but the spacing between each topic could probably be tightened up.

Xcession wrote:

I can totally see why this has been done, but from an fxhomer's perspective this is a step change. Heavy use of avatars at the topic-list level (rather than raw text as on fxhome) suggests that hitfilm is more about fostering fickle qualities like your ability to choose a cool avatar rather than hard-hitting data and discussion.
The idea with the more prominent avatars was to give people more of an identity on the forums. I feel the HitFilm forums are a lot slicker and cleaner, but I do agree that somehow the actual post text is a little harder to follow. We'll have to see if we can tweak that.

Xcession wrote:

I suspect that the fxhomers showing some reticence are the ones who considered fxhome's forum to be more hard-core than the company judged, which makes hitfilm's friendly, more youthful appeal seem rather vapid by comparison.
Yeah, this is probably the wrong way to think about FXhome. We've always tried to welcome a cross section of people of all skill levels. I think our success has come from having no prerequisites to become part of the community other than a willingness to learn.

Biblmac wrote:

Now, as I see the way the hitfilm forums are being handled, I feel like everything I learned about respect and intelligence on these forums was thrown out the window. Not to say that there is no respect or intelligence, just that it is not nearly as prominent as it is/was here. When I browse the forums over there I feel like the forums are mobbed with new users that don't seem to have respect for the "old timers" of fxhome, and why should they? I remember when I first got here, I got reprimanded by Atom on a number of occasions, which was definitely deserved. At the time I had no respect for him. I don't remember exactly what happened but what I do remember is that no matter who I decided to talk to on Fxhome, even if they didn't agree with Atom's rash manner of doing things, they did agree on what he had to say. I, quickly learned to respect him and many other veteran users. To me, in the hitfilm community, that sense of respect is gone.
It's interesting to hear that. Like you say, previously when new people have joined our community the older members have stepped up to help guide them. Eventually they become valued members like yourself and then help teach the next set of new people. But for some reason, some people don't seem so keen to pass on their skills to this next set of people.

Personally I think things will settle down in a month or two. Like Josh mentioned there's already quite a few older members making a big impact on the newer ones. If you really want to make a difference and set a direction then really there's no better time to do it than now.
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People should stop apologising for being "selfish" and wanting their reputation to continue. If you're a contributing member of any community you're there because you care about it and feeling valued is vital to keeping people returning - both the regulars themselves, and the people they help.

If you're not a contributor chance are your name wasn't as well known as you'd have hoped in the first place so your feeling of entitlement is perhaps a little unfounded.

Its not selfish to want some recognition for your work in a community, so I'd say it isn't selfish to feel put out if your reputation is abruptly cut off.

That said, you're not being prevented from continuing exactly where you left off, if you moved to hitfilm.com. However any impediment to continuity (such as a sub-optimal registration process, or board layout) might make it feel rather like you're forced to upgrade at the expense of your value to that community.
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I think this thread alone proves that FXhome has not gone at all. smile
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I think If I am fair, the whole effectslab and visionlab stuff is now getting quite dated, people have started to move on to other things, like after effects probably with the help of Andrew Kramer and his tutorials that have turned people from noobs into advanced vfx artists, thats just my opinon so don't flame me for it. I think a brand new fxhome program is probably long overdue and is needed to draw people back.
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videofxuniverse wrote:

I think a brand new fxhome program is probably long overdue and is needed to draw people back.
I think you may have missed something, then.
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Tarn wrote:

That's your choice, of course, but remember that a community is what you make of it. That is, literally, how communities work. smile If you want it to be something, you have to be a part of it, and influence it in the way you want. Otherwise it will, inevitably, go somewhere else.
I totally agree with that. I probably should do that, but although I have become a somewhat respected member here, I feel that respect is lost in the new forums. Also I don't have a lot of experience with HitFilm since my computer isn't too great at handling it, and that seems to be what everything is about over there. When I have posted different things before, I normally end up with little response, and mostly response from those who I don't care for a response from. As you said,

Tarn wrote:

But I'm already starting to notice people and pick out names of people whose posts I look out for.
I have too. I have also noticed those I want to ignore. It seems that most of the discussion on Hitfilm, from what I experienced, is happening in the support or hitfilm portions of the community. When I posted, for instance the Taken 2 thread, I almost immediately wish I hadn't. On Fxhome, had I posted that, we would have had some veteran members on there talking about it, as well as noobs. The first reply said,

Estevez (HUN) wrote:

Great names must be reused.
which in my opinion was a little confusing. I wasn't sure what he meant. The next post came from a user who I thought to be a noob, and then one from Tommy Gundersen. I recognized Tommy right away but still there wasn't much thought or discussion on there. I know more than a few people here who enjoyed the first one and either didn't notice the thread or didn't care. Not sure why that is, but I can't really complain I suppose.

Maybe I'm more disappointed at the fact that many of the veteran users are not on there, and I suppose the respect and intelligence I spoke of earlier really comes from the people in the community, and the lack of veterans over there is really what I think causes the problem. More veteran users who value intelligence and give respect to where it is due, the more intelligence and due respect there will be, right?
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Part of the reason of Hitfilm's community and the lack of responding to FXhome veteran's posts most likely is a result that the new fold of members there have no sense of history of who you are.

Hitfilm (like others have said) is in it's infancy, and if you've never heard of FXhome but joined Hitfilm, you arrive at Hitfilm with a perspective that everyone is new.

So all the veterans and their gravitas, wisdom and experience are all looked at as newcomers.

Part of the reason I don't post much at Hitfilm is that I don't have Hitfilm cause I need a new computer to run it, so I really can't offer much in terms of help - just opinions.

At the end of the day though, it is what the people make of it. I can understand feeling a loss due to the transition, and like the veterans here, FXHome holds so much memories as it helped me get my start into making films that it feels hard to let go. wink
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If everyone here moved to HitFilm.com, are we really going to respect each other less because we are on a new site? Granted, there are some newcomers there who won't appreciate the history of this wonderful site, but if we all establish ourselves on the HitFilm forums, I'm sure we can continue to deal with one another in exactly the same fashion that we have done here for years, regardless of any newcomers to the community. And likely help them to fit in better as well.

Personally, while I definitely benefit a lot from being part of the community here, the main reason I enjoy being here is for the opportunity to help others, and that certainly still exists on the HitFilm forums, probably moreso than here. There's numerous newcomers that could use a lot of guidance and assistance. So for me, the tone and interaction of the new forums isn't much changed from my experience here.

It seems like there is some cyclic reasoning going on here, where some veterans of FXhome are hesitant to dive in over at HitFilm, due to a perceived difference in the tone of the community, and lack of well-thought responses from other respected users, but the solution for that difference is for the veterans to take the plunge and make the transition. Granted, that's easier said than done, as it requires a migration en masse for it to work, and we can only respond as individuals, but if we all work together we could make this a non-issue.

I can understand the concerns of people who aren't using HitFilm much or at all, but I don't think that's necessarily an issue either. We have had quite a few respected users contribute to the Filmmaking and General forums here that didn't use the Lab products much or at all, but were still valued members of the community. There are corresponding Filmmaking and General forums at HitFilm.com that we ought to be able to handle the same way. Conversations such as this one could happen on the HitFilm forums as well, if we are all there to have the discussion.
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Aculag wrote:

videofxuniverse wrote:

I think a brand new fxhome program is probably long overdue and is needed to draw people back.
I think you may have missed something, then.
unless its the same quality of visionlab or after effects or better and not some niche plug in or a program that only does a few limited things, then no i havent missed anything.
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videofxuniverse wrote:

Aculag wrote:

videofxuniverse wrote:

I think a brand new fxhome program is probably long overdue and is needed to draw people back.
I think you may have missed something, then.
unless its the same quality of visionlab or after effects or better and not some niche plug in or a program that only does a few limited things, then no i havent missed anything.
I believe Aculag was referring to Hitfilm, the brand new video product released a couple months back by FXhome, of vastly superior quality to VisionLab, comparable to After Effects, and neither a plugin or niche product, but a very powerful program capable of almost infinitely more than VisionLab. I think that covers all the points you raised? Also, it is the second half of this Fxhome.com/HitFilm.com discussion.
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I haven't been on FXhome for too long, so I certainly don't have nearly the same history with it, but I agree with what Atom said. At first I thought it was just me, but nothing was really that interesting to see on Hitfilm. As hairbrained as this probably sounds, I think it would help a lot to simply copy-paste some of our better topics into the Hitfilm forums and just continue from there.
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It's definitely a weird point for me, where I want to move to the new forum, but unfortunately don't have the time in my day or space in my brain to be very proactive about it. Proactivity has only come from a few members, and there aren't any discussions going on that are engaging to me just yet. I want to help, but I have no easy shoe-in, and no ideas. Too many things going on in the real world.

I think Max is right, in that things might start to pick up when we actually have some projects to show for ourselves, and when we can get some more personal conversation going and learn new names, perhaps the transition won't be so hard for some of the group to make. I think the fact that these forums are still being left open for posting has a lot to do with why we didn't jump over there immediately when it was first split. This should have been locked, with a notice redirecting people to the new forum.

Xcession is also right in that even slight alterations in the community design could help it become what we want it to become, just because there will be less psychological barriers to deal with. I love the new design, but he definitely hit the nail on the head in the key differences, and why the users who feel hard-core about filmmaking and this community have been slow to move.

I think we have a wonderful symbiotic relationship in this community, and it works extremely well. I have learned in so many different, engaging ways through the community. What brings us back, is the actual value of everyone to each other, and even the relationships that we've built. I value everyone here, truly. Best community I've come across in this field by a far throw, with a userbase and staff that really care.

Any help that's given to the force of the community, though, would surely help it transition to new places.



Really, I'm just saying all this in hopes that those who are leaning more toward stopping their forum activity, might consider leaning back toward preserving our wonderful community, and participating whenever they can. It's great to hear how strongly others feel about it too. This community has played a big role in my developing passion, and it's not something I'll ever take for granted.

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Although I understand the technological limitations that prevent you from shifting the forum database over to HitFilm.com, I do think it would be great for us veterans if we had SOME sort of mark of our history/veterancy. Starting over as a newbie, as opposed to here where I could just post something snarky and get recognized as a veteran user, means that switching to HitFilm.com feels like too much work - you're asking us to rebuild our entire reputations, which is a huge part of any community.

Not sure what that mark of veterancy could be, though. How about lightsabers? smile
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Serpent wrote:

I think the fact that these forums are still being left open for posting has a lot to do with why we didn't jump over there immediately when it was first split. This should have been locked, with a notice redirecting people to the new forum.
This was considered, but given the mixed responses to change that can be seen in this topic, can you imagine the reaction if we'd locked and forced everybody to make the shift?

The main issue, it seems, is that reputation/post counts/etc haven't been transitioned over. Because otherwise nothing has really changed - we've gone from a filmmaking/software community run by FXhome (at FXhome.com) to a filmmaking/software community run by FXhome (at HitFilm.com). Had we been able to transition over user data, literally the only real difference would have been the URL.

I do think people like Rody and Majahr have already demonstrated that it doesn't take long to establish a good reputation and respect, though.
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I have noticed a decline in quality forum posts on here but i wouldn't say that the whole place is 'dead'. The hitfilm forums- whilst still feeling new and full of new users and doesn't have the same atmosphere as Fxhome (yet) it still has a very positive attitude to film making and Fxhome in general. Part of the fun of life is trying new things, making friends with people you would never otherwise meet without the internet and hopefully learning from the adventures of more experienced users. I know i have from my 5-6 years i've been on here. If people do see these forums as dead, i would rather climb aboard the rescue boat than cling to wreckage and flotsam (A bit exagerrated for the purpose of the discussion i grant you biggrin )

One of the things to consider would be for the veteran users that do cross over to Hitfilm to maybe make a sticky in one of the forums that has links to some of your best films and website- sort of like a meet and greet. It would be good for some of the users that are interested in the community aspect to see some of our history but it could also serve as a good archive of all the years we've had on the fxhome forums. Some of the older members could collect some of the best, funniest, most exciting posts and production threads from over the years and could make a sticky post, sort of a 'this is your life' post.

Like Tarn has said, a community is what you make of it, you need to contribute towards the community to reap its rewards. A lot of users, especially strikeEm, Phil and Tommy Gunderson have posted quality posts in both forums and have recieved great feedback on both sites. Perhaps this could be the way forward whilst we make this transition.

I look forward to creating a new community with all the veterans and also the next generation over on Hitfilm.
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Tarn wrote:

I do think people like Rody and Majahr have already demonstrated that it doesn't take long to establish a good reputation and respect, though.
However both of them help out with HitFilm the software. For people like me who don't have HitFilm and don't know much about it technically, there isn't much I can do except sit around in the General and Filmmaker's forums. It seems that those over there who have good reputations have them because they help with the software itself. If I'm not mistaken, Rody got most of his rep from tutorials and helpful posts, as well as Majahr. Someone like me who has little to no experience with the software seems to have little or no use to the community over there at this point.

PS it would also be nice to have Sollthar's filmmaking guide over there as well.
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As for myself, status or reputation has never been a goal of mine on any forum as you can tell with my small post count in almost 7 years on Fxhome. The problem I have is adjusting to the new forum style and the quality of the posts.

I miss the Cinema section the most, Hit Film just seems unorganized with most folks posting bits and pieces within their posts. (just my opinion)
I would love to see a single place for people to showcase their finished films.

I think I have just got use to the board style of Fxhome, and having a hard time adjusting to the look, feel, use, and users of Hit Film.
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For consideration: although "game-ification" of websites is becoming slightly passe its worth noting that in the Battlefield computer game franchise, players of more recent titles who were also players of their previous games were rewarded with minor status symbols to indicate this fact.

It amounted to little more than a symbol next to your name, or perhaps a different coloured helmet, but there was evidently some need for it. Vets want respect and newbs want to feel they have someone to turn to with experience. To a newb the experience of working with vets makes the community seem broader and rich and to a vet the recognition might just be enough to migrate.
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I've been out of the loop for awhile too. It may be time for some of the veterans to "pass the torch", so to speak. Not to say that the wisdom of the more experienced among us should not be imparted to the newbs, but there comes a time when one's join date or post count ceases to indicate one's importance or overall positive impact on the forum.

So yeah... still waiting for my purple lightsaber...
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Xcession wrote:

For consideration: although "game-ification" of websites is becoming slightly passe its worth noting that in the Battlefield computer game franchise, players of more recent titles who were also players of their previous games were rewarded with minor status symbols to indicate this fact.

It amounted to little more than a symbol next to your name, or perhaps a different coloured helmet, but there was evidently some need for it. Vets want respect and newbs want to feel they have someone to turn to with experience. To a newb the experience of working with vets makes the community seem broader and rich and to a vet the recognition might just be enough to migrate.
Great idea.. something along these lines.
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Yeah, some kind of badge (like the 'staff' badges) on the HitFilm.com forums but for FXhome veterans is a great idea. We'll definitely look into that.
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Requesting that the badges be shaped like cake.
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For me - it's mostly been a lack of time - and having to rebuild a "reputation" from scratch is no where near the top of my priority list.

Had the transition migrated all of the data we'd accumulated over 7+ years, then maybe it would have been smoother. I also miss the cinema section dearly. That was definitely the most unique feature of FxHome, and relying on YouTube embeds within topics just doesn't really cut it comparatively. Rather than a centralized community experience - akin to a specialty movie theater, we now have something quite bland.

Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon! wink
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Who says we're just going to rely on YouTube embeds... I'm sure that something much better than the FXhome cinema is possible. wink
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Yeah, one other thing to bear in mind is that HitFilm.com isn't a complete, finished, that's-it-we're-done website. It's version 1, 3 months after launch. We've already tweaked the community page considerably compared to the initial launch version, and there's lots more ideas still to come.

Alas, we're still a small company, so we can't do everything all at once. A better integration/showcase of user movies is definitely something we want to do.
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Can we have a forum for the legacy products over at HitFilm? Until then I'm likely to stay here...
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people keep bringing up this hitfilm website as the reason for this forum going quiet, but i didn't even know about hitfilm until i saw this thread so i don't think hitfilm is all to blame, I just think fxhome and its original products have run its course and people have moved on elsewhere.

That and the fact that there have been soo many arguements on here in the past. one that always got on my nerves was when people would post up a review on a new movie out and everyone would complain that it had spoilers, it was like an endless lesson people would never learn. if you don't want spoilers don't open the post, even when spoiler warnings were put in place people would still read on and complain.
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Are you serious, videofxuniverse? Are you really that oblivious?
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videofxuniverse wrote:

people keep bringing up this hitfilm website as the reason for this forum going quiet, but i didn't even know about hitfilm until i saw this thread so i don't think hitfilm is all to blame, I just think fxhome and its original products have run its course and people have moved on elsewhere.
To clarify, HitFilm is an FXhome product.


On another note, thanks to those of you involved in this topic who have been posting over at HitFilm.com over the last week. I really appreciate it that effort, and I think it's certainly starting to show. I'm very confident that the quality of debate and interchange will develop fairly rapidly when led by example.
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"I miss the Cinema section the most, Hit Film just seems unorganized with most folks posting bits and pieces within their posts. (just my opinion)
I would love to see a single place for people to showcase their finished films."

This ,I think ,.is one of the most important points of this discussion .

The Cinema section was handled brilliantly and made us all feel like real
filmmakers ,with the excitement of waiting for your movie to get into the top ten and then the nail biting as you read the reviews.
It also brought about many varied discussions on members projects which I'm sure Max is refering.

I hope Tarn can do the same at Hitfilm....I really do.....why?......because I've got my latest Poser mini film coming out soon and I want that Cinema feeling back again and not the youtube one.

Like most of the guys on this thread I'm sure they'd love to give the new forum a good go.
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The cinema section is a definite must have on the hitfilm forum, It would be great if all users could post their work, rather than just people who edited on hitfilm/with hitfilm as not every film has or needs VFX and i enjoy sharing my work with the community even though i'm not a hitfilm user. There should be categories for work, i.e. tests, beginners, showcase (best of all the categories), ect. - only problem i found with the cinema was the younger users would often abuse the ratings system to try benefit themselves - maybe just have the 'like' system and have the staff pick the showcase rather than a top 10.


I like the idea of the veteran badge for the old FXhomers, let's face it, we've all "seen some things man", horrifically bad things(things being videos) in some cases and some of us were responsible for them in the past.
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I personally like being able to rate the movies in the cinema. A like/dislike option would feel too much like youtube to me. I don't even really like the like/dislike system on youtube. I definitely prefer a five star rating system to a like/dislike one.

Also I think that hitfilm.com needs a cinema as well. Definitely gives off a better vibe than the current thread based "youtube-esque" system.
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Atom wrote:

Are you serious, videofxuniverse? Are you really that oblivious?
yes i guess i am, because im sorry to say in the last 2 years i am one of those who has moved on and rarely logs on here much anymore
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I personally think that the reason there isn't as much activity on the site is because it isn't summer anymore, and people don't have as much free time on their hands, as well as Hitfilm's launch right in between the transition. I have tried to get into the forums at Hitfilm, but they are lacking. As if they have a different feel. I think that there are a lot of new members who don't act the same as I would say this community does, or did.
Just my thoughts...

-2xZ
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In my opinion, the problem is this: Here, it wasn't just, "how do you do this," and "what's this," or "why does my particle effect do that?" People actually shared ideas, experiences, and things about their lives. And, despite all the arguments, people here actually tried to help eachother with things that had nothing to do with filmming or effects.

On the HitFilm forums, from what I have seen, it's just "how does this work," and "how do I do this?" Sure, there were posts like that here, but not all of them. Mabey half. On HitFilm, they're all like that. So it's more of a "cold spirited" community. It's almost like no one really cares about anyone elses opinions or hteir views on things. So, if you aren't answering their question on "How do I make a magical pony-fair-princess in Blender," then they just won't take the time to read what you've written.


That's my opinion. It may or may not be right, but hey, SOMETHING in there's GOT to have some truth.

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Normally, I would have added this to my last reply, but this id almost on a different topic.

On the topic of the Cinema section, I suprised my self. I was actaually upset over the fact that it was discontinued and not on HitFilm. I didn't cry, or go on a rampage or something, but it was upsetting. I have two finished scripts and three being written. Some are more in reach than others, and my friends and I have done some random short film things, and not being able to have people that I feel like might care watch it was pretty wierd. I had always planned on just posting some films in the cinema section, but apparently not.

Oh, and just incase Tarn or someone like that reads this, it might be a good idea to let the HitFilm website itself support the videos, instead of having to upload them to Youtube or something, then pasting the link, or however that works. It would be pretty great to just post the video on the HitFilm site.
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http://i.imgur.com/VK5DV.gif

Everyone makes great points though, I'm sure they are taking these things into consideration. However, as we've also concluded, it requires us posting those kinds of things over there to really make things happen.
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Serpent wrote:


http://i.imgur.com/VK5DV.gif
LOL and so true.
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

On the HitFilm forums, from what I have seen, it's just "how does this work," and "how do I do this?" Sure, there were posts like that here, but not all of them. Mabey half. On HitFilm, they're all like that.
Thing is, that's how FXhome started. The FXhome forums over the last 3 years have been a bit unusual for the video community, because in that period we didn't release any new video products. Hence discussion inevitably shifted away from direct discussion of VFX and the products. Prior to that, discussions was very much focused around AlamDV, then Chromanator, then EffectsLab etc. The community discussion then grew out of that, and that will happen over at HitFilm.com as well.

As for the cinema aspect - we do hope to enhance that considerably over time.
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For a place that is gone, this site sure did get a snazzy new design update. smile
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Aculag wrote:

For a place that is gone, this site sure did get a snazzy new design update.
So, are you going to keep morphing this site until it looks identical to HitFilm.com, at which point you will pop up a giant button that says "Click me to go to HitFilm.com"? biggrin
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If it was possible to morph this site to be the same as HitFilm.com is, then we wouldn't have ever created the new site. Creating HitFilm.com allowed us to implement modern features that were oft requested, but are simply not possible using the current site.
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A thought just occured to me. Why didn't you just add a hit film section on this site? That seems like it ,ay have been easier to do. Granted hit film does look much cooler than this site. smile
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Axeman wrote:

If it was possible to morph this site to be the same as HitFilm.com is, then we wouldn't have ever created the new site. Creating HitFilm.com allowed us to implement modern features that were oft requested, but are simply not possible using the current site.
Morph it visually, not technically.
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Azulon'sAssassin wrote:

A thought just occured to me. Why didn't you just add a hit film section on this site? That seems like it ,ay have been easier to do. Granted hit film does look much cooler than this site. smile
HitFilm is a much stronger video product than we've had before: it's several leagues beyond anything we've previously attempted. As such, we want it to have its own dedicated website where we could give it the attention it deserved - rather than just being another product on an existing store.

It's also part of a general refocusing: you'll note that we no longer sell lots of third party stuff (except as part of cool bundles), but instead focus in on what we do best, which is making software.
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Forum redesign. Is this to say this place might be kept, Tarn?
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FXhome isn't going anywhere but it will focus more on the products it continues to sell - PhotoKey.

FXhome's other website (HitFilm.com) will provide much the same for our video products including a new community and, in the future, more video related content and functionality which would be impossible to integrate on this older website. smile
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Soo... I was pleased to see that this place is still around smile College has been a bit insane so I haven't had time to check either forum, but I'm glad there's some remnant of the community here, even if it is just for the time being.

EDIT: But on another note, I can't help but feeling a bit sad. Having just left my home in California, I had hoped to come back to FXhome (who was such a large part of my film experience/life) and see the same community. But it's as if everyones gone their separate ways, with some transitioning to the new website, some staying here, and others disbanding altogether. So that is a bit sad.

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Except now the majority of new posts seem to be from spammers. sad

Oh yes I love [insert thread title here] do you know of [insert thread title here]??? Check out this website where you can buy a battery charger for your panasonic camera.

But definitely check out HitFilm's forums. They're kinda slow still, but I've noticed it picking up a bit in the last week or so. The more people post there the more it will seem like [Fx]home.

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Aculag!?

Damnit, I miss this place.
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It's been over a week since I was here, I think. Wow. Junior year is filling up my schedule.
Plus I haven't had time to make movies...GOTTA GET ONE DONE THIS WEEKEND
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Aculag wrote:

For a place that is gone, this site sure did get a snazzy new design update. smile
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i think why this placed slowed down is that the labs dissapeared and became completley htfilm. {i put a forum up (before i found some others) that is more about finding other stuff like the plugin and prestets pages}. but yeah i noticed this too.
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I just wanted to post something, got nothing valid to say but Hi!
The FXhome Community will always have a bookmark in my browser.
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I think there are 2 main problems with the hitfilm forums.

Firstly there is too much space and graphics making it very hard to read anything because it is too spread out.

But secondly the fxhome forums were built around filmmaking whereas hitfilm seemed more specifically all about hitfilm. In the old forums as well as people owning the latest and greatest products there were some people who may still have had older programs, some just starting out who couldn't afford them yet and others may have even snuck off to other products but we all still had a common interest of filmmaking bringing the community together. I realise you want people to buy hitfilm but the change was very exclusive to everyone else who nonetheless provided valuable experience to the forums and remained a potential customer. More of that other stuff is coming back in but I fear a lot of damage was done.
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Kid wrote:

Firstly there is too much space and graphics making it very hard to read anything because it is too spread out.
The 3D effect applied to forum thread titles is very distracting. The whole feel of hitfilm.com reminds me of the lego mindstorms forums I used to peruse when I was a wee lad. It's almost as if you want forum users to be distracted and go "ooh, what's this?" Pretty terrible.
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FXHome was my home.
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Kid wrote:

I think there are 2 main problems with the hitfilm forums.

Firstly there is too much space and graphics making it very hard to read anything because it is too spread out.
It's a work-in-progress, so feedback is very welcome. We've got some major updates to the community coming over the next couple of months which will really transform it. I agree that the main topic listings are a bit too spaced out, meaning you have to scroll more than you might need to - that's probably something we can look into.

But secondly the fxhome forums were built around filmmaking whereas hitfilm seemed more specifically all about hitfilm. In the old forums as well as people owning the latest and greatest products there were some people who may still have had older programs, some just starting out who couldn't afford them yet and others may have even snuck off to other products but we all still had a common interest of filmmaking bringing the community together.
You basically just described the HitFilm forums, though.

Take a look at the sections. Here are FXhome's sections (excluding PhotoKey-related stuff and custom bits like the news and film project forums):

FXhome Cinema
Product discussion
Filmmaker's forum
General chat
Tech-support

And here are HitFilm's:

General
Filmmaking
HitFilm software
Technical self-help

The only difference is the lack of a 'cinema' forum, although the cinema forum was very quiet on FXhome.com anyway because most people posted in the Filmmaker's forum - just as they do now on HitFilm.com. (btw, addressing the lack of a 'cinema' equivalent on HitFilm.com is something we're working on for the community updates)

I realise you want people to buy hitfilm but the change was very exclusive to everyone else who nonetheless provided valuable experience to the forums and remained a potential customer.
I'm not sure where you're getting that from, tbh. As explained above, the forum structure is basically identical on both sites.

Inevitably discussion is focused on the HitFilm products at the moment, because they are brand new products. Think back to the launches of AlamDV2, EffectsLab, VisionLab, etc - exactly the same thing happened.

Part of the reason you considered FXhome.com to be a 'general filmmaking forum' rather than something focusing on FXhome products is that the gap between VisionLab and HitFilm was quite a long time, so discussion inevitably broadened as there were no new video products to talk about.

More of that other stuff is coming back in but I fear a lot of damage was done.
The HitFilm forums are already far more active than FXhome.com's forums have been for years - and that's before you even look at the wider community on YouTube, Facebook and Twitter.

When this topic first started, it was very early days. Things have changed a lot since then - HitFilm.com is very active now, with widely varying topics. A lot of the criticisms people had here of HitFilm.com's forums are no longer valid: you can find cool production topics, you can find people discussing filmaking in general (from cameras, to non-FXhome software, to techniques, to VFX etc), you can find people talking about the latest movie releases and trailers, you can find detailed, academic-style analysis and discussion.

A lot of that change is down to lots of you guys heading over there and helping us to establish the tone and style that we all want it to be. Those efforts are much appreciated by us, as well as by all the newcomers who have discovered a cool new filmmaking community.
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My second point was not what it is now, but more about what it seemed to be when it was released and the changeover. I don't know if the intended direction of it has actually changed slightly since then or just wasn't entirely clear at the time. I was certainly trying to acknowledge that a lot of that isn't missing still now.

But I wasn't really criticising as much as trying to put my finger on why they aren't quite there compared to the old forums, and I'm still not sure either. The one thing that feels missing is the lack of mentor/icons even though people are still there, which maybe is because there is more activity but less of a focus, maybe that is down to there being no cinema?
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I think Kid makes great points. Maybe a cinema section (which has been hinted at IIRC), would bring some focus to the new community. I agree with the spacing issues too, especially with the increased activity.

If new users were striving for "cinema" submissions and merit, it would give them more place in the community. When CSBDigital/FXHome was younger, it was filled with newbies to filmmaking as they grew and became more hardcore about filmmaking or related fields, and got to know each other and really learn from each other–which is what's happening here. But now the "hardcore" users actually have more trouble fitting in with the new user-base, especially with no perceivable merit. Discussion just seems stilted. Some of us are trying because we love FXHome, but it really just isn't working, and it seems many have left. That's not our job, and FXHome as we knew it seems to be dissipating.

I'm an optimist though, and I'm patient, and I'm hopeful, so I look forward to the future of it because the potential is there. Hitfilm is clearly a huge step up, in terms of the software; but I think the community itself has yet to be re-realized, which is what I was hoping for when the new site was launched. It's taking a long time, and not much has been done about it on your end.

Trust me, none of this is meant to sound harsh–but this community meant a lot to a lot of us. The users who had found a place "in the industry" were even still coming back because it had that much meaning, it was a home. I feel like FXHome as we knew it has pretty much moved on to Facebook or altogether, and more away from the forums (it's hard to tell with username changes and whatnot). Some are keeping at it over at Hitfilm, myself included, a bit. Speaking of which, any FXHomers that want to stay in touch, hit me up on (my)Facebook.

EDIT: this kind of stuff might be stuff that's being worked on, but yeah, I totally agree with Kid.
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Serpent wrote:

I think Kid makes great points. Maybe a cinema section (which has been hinted at IIRC), would bring some focus to the new community. I agree with the spacing issues too, especially with the increased activity.
Both those issues are being worked on right now. smile

Launching HitFilm, software and website, has been the biggest project we've ever done, logistically. Just as the software has now had a 1.1 update to bring it closer to our vision, the community is also being focused on. There will be some big changes coming in the next few weeks.

It's taking a long time, and not much has been done about it on your end.
We're actually putting vastly more resources into the community side of things than we ever have, though I understand how from a certain point of view that might not be apparent. It's not like the current designs over at HitFilm.com are finished - just as FXhome was an evolving place, so will be HitFilm.

Trust me, none of this is meant to sound harsh–but this community meant a lot to a lot of us. The users who had found a place "in the industry" were even still coming back because it had that much meaning, it was a home.
I've worked at FXhome for 10 years, straight out of university. A huge part of my role here in those 10 years was looking after the community. So, trust me, it means a lot to me too. smile Everything we've done with HitFilm.com is what we've always wanted to do with FXhome.com but not had the resources before - we're not finished yet, and it's an on-going project.
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smile That is all great to hear. I know it means a lot to you guys, and that's one of the reasons that it's so great. And you, Tarn, always make the community so exciting. Your old Alam tutorials are ingrained in my mind–they introduced me to the world of computer animation and compositing.

I'm looking forward to the feel of the community coming back, because I know it will, and it's slowly starting to. I just hope skeptical users stick around. I'll admit that I come off as a bit skeptical in that post, mainly due to a lot of the stilted discussion, but I express that in hopes that it will move away from that and start to feel more natural and Fxhomey on the boards.

Anyways, totally looking forward to the cinema section, and continuing to participate in the wonderful community.
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I personally like the new look and style of the Hitfilm forums but the feel just isn't there yet, ya know? For me, there just isn't anything for me there. I'm not a big movie buff, like most people here. I love making movies, but I don't really watch all that many. The last movie I saw in theaters was Warrior and the only movie I plan on seeing in theaters in 2012 is the new Nolan Batman movie and maybe the Superman one. So, for now, the HitFilm forums just don't have as much to offer as this place did for me.

The filmmaking forums at Hitfilm are still very much based around the software and much less about general filmmaking, which I completely understand, by the way. However the thing that originally brought me to the forums was filmmaking help, not really vfx/software help. I learned more about lighting, directing, writing, color correction, location scouting etc then I ever did from places like IndyMogul, or even FilmRiot. I miss that.

Now, I'm not complaining at all, because I know it will get there, I just wish it would transition faster haha. Just felt like adding my two cents.
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Nearly all of the help in general filmmaking areas that you refer to, though, Biblmac, was the result of people asking for assistance on various difficulties they ran into, or help understanding things. If you, or anyone else, starts asking those questions at HitFilm, I'm sure they will still get the help they need.
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Axeman, I understand that, but I suppose what I meant was that the people there are there simply for the software. When I got to Fxhome in 2007 it was already well established so there were people here who had little to no interest in special effects, like Ben and Atom, who made mostly Dramas. The diversity was part of the intrigue of Fxhome, and it seems to be gone at Hitfilm.com. I know we have lots of different people there but almost everyone I've encountered there is there simply for HitFilm. Not that they don't have knowledge of other aspects of filmmaking, but the focus is hitfilm, which makes plenty of sense, as I posted early, since the software is new. I hope that makes sense.

I guess my point is that I look forward to the day when Hitfilm.com is more than just a special effects driven forum, which I know will come, but it will take time. Once again, not complaining, just putting forward my two cents.