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Posted: Tue, 4th Sep 2001, 5:21pm

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I have decided to start a new thread on the huge universe of Star Wars Fan films. First of all those of you that do not know TFN is http://theforce.net . This site has become a Mecca if you will, for SW fandom.They have one of the best if not the best Fan site on the web. The site is chalked full of reference material on the Actual movies and of course Fan films. They have tutes on props , costumes ,FX, writing...you name it they have it. They also have a huge community of talented folks(like ALAMDV). This also great source for film making in general with a SW flavor.The have a pretty big library of Fan Films and FX tests. Anyway enough of the long winded intro, my point is for the benifit of those who like SW fanfilms I decided to pick one and try to cultivate some discussions on films hosted there. I am going to try and make this a weekly thing. Before I get started with this though I wanted to get some input from my fellow ALAMErs out there and see if you guys would be interested in discussing such Movies. And also give you guys a chance to surf TFN and see what it is all about. Okay with that said let me know what you guys think and if the response is good I shall make my first Pick this Friday.If I get alot on it before then I will post my pick sooner. I suppose I will start with one finished piece, one Trailor, and one FX test. Let me know what you blokes think, thanks in advance.

PS Here is the link to their fan films
http://theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/index.shtml

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Posted: Tue, 4th Sep 2001, 9:47pm

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I have a few favourites

Effects - Duality
Fighting - a Question of Faith
Humour (split desition) - Troops and Legacy of a Jedi

If you haven't seen any of these, do it NOW! (they really are quite excellent!) - Yes, I know you've seen them all Joe

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Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2001, 8:26am

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eek

Looks like it's just us two who like the TFN fan films frown

That surprises me greatly! Although the 40MB average download is a bit of a put off razz

If you haven't seen any because of the connection - listen to Averagejoe's picks and start from there - soon you'll have downloaded the whole collection on a 56k modem (I did)

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Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2001, 8:44am

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Yup the movies are pretty big, the problem is my connection cuts out after two hours, then I have to reconnect. Can quicktime resume downloads?


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Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2001, 9:20am

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I personally use a program called iGetter for the Mac which allows for resumable downloads - http://www.igetter.net/

It will automatically re-connect if disconnected and will disconnect after the que has finnished and will schedule starting and stopping for what ever times you want (like between 6pm and 8am) and I couldn't live without it now. (I think I need to buy shares in the company razz )

There are similar resumable downloaders for the PC as well (but couldn't tell you what they were or their specs - sorry)

What are you waiting for - grab the downloader and get to TFN

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Posted: Thu, 6th Sep 2001, 4:09pm

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HMMMMM.... Okay, Being the spoiled guy with the T1 at work I forget about bandwidth. Sorry. But do not fear. I suppose becuase of this I will shorten my weekly selection to one piece this week.Thankfully this one is streamed on another site (I will give the link to streaming site, also consider the quality will not be as good streamed). One of my favorites and the one that re-ignited the filmmaker in me...(cough).... drum roll please.... My 1st selection is....DUALITY! This actually is a follow up project to the Crew of Two's 1st endeavor DUAL. Both are hosted on TFN. So check out Dual to see their 1st SW film.But this discussion will be about DUALITY and if we decide to compare and contrast the two later so be it. Back to the issue at hand. Duality and it's cast and crew have made one of the best Fan films in my opinion. Some have said the story is not strong but when you see it you get the sense that you are seeing a piece of a bigger story. Who knows there might be more to come on this? Beside making a cool action packed FX film we get a glimpse of the process behind this project. The production crew has a very cool website chalked full of the technical info on how they did it. They have a pretty good tute on using After Effects and Comotion to render lightsabers.Of course ALAMDV sabers are easier to come by smile. Plus there is a cool smaller version of the movie in "Keying/compositing" that shows a split screen of the blue screen footage and the final film.In conclusion Check out this Film, it is well worth the download or the 10 or 15 minutes of your time to stream it.

The link to the making of site is http://www.crewoftwo.com

Duality is Streaming from ifilm.com
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/collections/0,4328,264,00.html

Duality hosted on TFN
http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/duality/

Check it out and come back here and let me know whant you thought of it.


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Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2001, 11:58am

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Duality is excellent - for what it is.

BUT I don't think it can take the overall title of The Best

Good
• The SFX were unbeilivably good!
• The 3D rendered stuff - Amazing
• I thought the ending was VERY funny - I mean the very end.

Not so Good
• The story was all about a duel - but I thought the fighting was quite poor (espetially comparred to their first - Duel) but that could have been because of the editing. Some of it was spectacular, but some of it wasn't. frown

Overall - I wouldn't have put that on top
for SFX - Yes without a doubt!

It's important to note though that these guys were beginners (even in the realms of 3D) and forked out about $3,000 (I read somewhere) of their own money to produce this which is great dedication.

(We'll get some traffic on this topic now Av)

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Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2001, 1:50pm

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The only problem I had with the fights was they relied too much on spinning the lightsabers, instead of actually fighting with them.

I liked the double lightsaber idea though. And the very end bit is good.

I think the important thing is the overall design of the film fits very well with real films.

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Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2001, 3:07pm

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Great! Some replies. Great to see someone besides Craig has seen it smile I just viewed DUALITY again for the upteenth time watched with the sound off. I do not know about the rest of you but that is some thing I do all the time. Some times I wish I had a remote in the theatre to back up the film and just look at the visual part of a film. Must be that generation X I need a remote thing. I don't know may be I am wierd.With out hearing what is happening and actually seeing it the film is a bit different(of course). Checking out the acutaul dual again I tried to count the times they contacted to see if it was mostly spinning and looking cool. In the three segments of the dual, including saber clashes, throws, punches and kicks 27-31-32. Of course my count may be off by a few. I think the reason why I like this dual is that it appears to be natural and not staged but of course all are intitled to disagree smile. As a side note there is a better dualing style in the movie for next week (the guys in it are professional swordsmen). Craig favors that one for fighting as well. I hope this will cultivate more input. Remember the purpose for this thread is to critique and study so we can make better films so we have cool footage to use ALAMDV on wink
Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2001, 3:44pm

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I haven't seen the film, but I did hear that it was all spinny and no hitty. If you look at the 'greatest lighsaber duel ever' you'll see Rotting Bob. He's a fencer and has whipped Bruce Dickenson's (Iron Maiden) ass before. My point is, that he found it very hard to adapt to filmic saber fu from a technique which actually requires skill and the desire to hit the other bloke. His fencing training was not that useful, and he had to rely instead upon his natural excellence smile
Posted: Fri, 7th Sep 2001, 3:45pm

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Please don't keep me in suspence!

Tell me what next week's best is please, pretty please.

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Posted: Mon, 10th Sep 2001, 9:54am

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Yeah and it also helps if you actually do have a passion to beat the living snot out of the guy infront of you with four foot of white metal broom handle!!!!..... Sorry Great One (You love people calling you that don't you....your egos writing checks your body can't cash, until you've paid off your student debts anyhoo) I know that you were just being nice and yes I am naturally excelent. Thing is if you're not actually aiming to hit the guy or gal (more women doing saber foo....in bikini's....when it's cold.....in slo mo....) then it does tend to just look like your waving a stick round abit once its been transfered to film. Still everything I've seen in the cinema looks pretty good to me smile)
Posted: Mon, 10th Sep 2001, 3:56pm

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I decided to go ahead and put in this weeks pick. It appears that you blokes like lots o'saber duals. Out of all the movies that I have seen on TFN the only with killer "Saber FU"(thanks for the term TGO!)is AQF. For those of you who do not freguent the site that is "A Question of Faith".This one has lots and lots of duals. The actors at the beginging are kinda weak, put I think it is due to the poor sound at the opening location. It looks cool though.Do not let this turn you away, about 1 minute later the Saber clashes ensue(sp?). These guys work at a theme restraunt that features a fuedal age tournament. You sit and eat with your hands and watch guys bash each other, what more could you ask for. Anyway these guys stage fights very well. There is a little twirling but most of it is hitting. The saber FX are nice. Anyway, you wanted "SaberFu" so I hope this quinches the urge to watch several people bash each other with big sticks razz


http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/faith/index.shtml

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Posted: Tue, 11th Sep 2001, 12:31pm

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This is more like it!

It may not have the effects and CG backgrounds of Duality, but it has top notch fights and a bit of a story. The only problem was you don't get to see the 5 versus 2 fight at the end.

The fights flow properly and there is some good long takes, which show the guys know how to handle the swords.

I also liked the tree cutting down bit. I wonder if Starwars lumberjacks use light axes?

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Posted: Tue, 11th Sep 2001, 6:01pm

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I agree - the fights are Very Well done!

Looking at the credits, they seem to have different actors coriographing the different fights which give a better variation I feel to the whole thing.

I look forward to your next favourite Av.

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Posted: Tue, 11th Sep 2001, 6:24pm

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I went to the production team's site and it looks like they are attempting to get AQF 2 in the works. These guys rock. The fights are real and they do hurt each other from time to time. Check out the blooper reel they posted at TFN resently.

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Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2001, 9:55pm

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Okay guys I know I said that I would pick stuff from TFN but this week I feel it would be a good Idea to encourage ALAMDVers to watch a movie with ALAMDV FX. Sith Apocalupse is finished and is up on the Web. Michael F. Haspil directed and Wrote it. I do not know his handle on ALADV's forum but Michael has done a GREAT job. I am unsure if TFN is hosting but I am sure Micheal is lobbying for that to take place. There was a spot mentioning his completion and URL on the TFN Fanfilms news. Here is the link
http://www.apocprod.com/
I feel the film was great.The story covers some interesting subject matter and has a twist at the end. Not only do we see a fight between good and evil we see a debate as well. Reading about his production process you will find he is well read and even used elements of the universal truths that Joseph Campbell wrote about. Of course that is a whole other subject... His site has tutes on prop building among other things. Give this Fellow ALAMDVer a pat on the back for the Great Work. If you are Reading this Micheal feel free to drop a line on this post. And besides I would like to know what your handle on forum is smile Check this out guys you will not be disappointed.
Posted: Wed, 19th Sep 2001, 10:15pm

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Oh NO eek

They've taken down the file at the moment and are looking for alternate hosting as the web server couldn't take it frown

Looks like we'll have to wait a while.

Not too long I hope

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Posted: Thu, 20th Sep 2001, 1:30am

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Ouch,You are correct sir... Looks like Mr. Haspil's Project has become very popular. I shall post new links as they come availible.
Hopefully one of the big boys like TFN will pick him up and give him the much needed bandwidith. What a good problem to have wink

PS I found Michael's handle at ALAMDV it is Rogue428. I got off me lazy bum and checked themembers list biggrin


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Posted: Thu, 27th Sep 2001, 12:30am

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Rogues428's project was picked up by another FANFILM site called Star Wars Land-FanFilms
You guys should be able to check it out now razz
alternate link for Sith Apocalypse on the above mentioned site:

http://www.saraquest.com/swlff/sithapocalypse/
Posted: Fri, 28th Sep 2001, 1:37pm

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Okay...I admit it. I've been slacking and absent from these forums for far too long. Imagine my surprise to find out my own project was being discussed here!

Well I'm glad you guys like it. ALAMDV helped out immensely. I did about 80% of the sabers in ALAMDV with the remainder done in Adobe Photoshop (because I needed some of the special LIA plugins).

At least the movie is being hosted now without driving my site down every day. TFN would not host the movie. They wouldn't give any reasons.
Posted: Sat, 29th Sep 2001, 4:43am

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NEATO!!! Glad to see you have made an appearence Rogue. Your presense here is GREAT. YEEEEAAAH, Our 1st director of a project talked about here has posted. Anybody have question for the Gentleman behind this FanFilm... I guess I will start. What advice would you give to fellow ALAMDVers about doing a FanFilm? I for one have been stewing over doing it. I am sure you have learned a few do's and don'ts. biggrin



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Posted: Mon, 1st Oct 2001, 12:44pm

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Here is a quick list of do's and don'ts....

DO have a contingency plan. Especially if you're shooting on location. It rained during my fan film but we had no backup plan so we pressed on at the risk of our equipment.

DO rehearse your script and your fight sequences ad naseum! Sadly, our film and our fights were for the most part unrehearsed! If you can believe that! Improvised fights aren't really safe...as you can tell from the end of my fan film...where the sith lord (yours truly) is sporting a nice gash over his eye...(not makeup).

DO take Mr. Murphy seriously....have two of everything if you can. You never know what will happen. On my shoot we had the strangest stuff happen, my car window imploded for no reason...and the microphone I was relying on to get sound stopped working for no reason...again no backup...I will next time though.

DO get help from as many people as you can get. But remember people who promise to help...might be well intentioned...but promises won't get your film made.

DO contact your local film commision. They help ALL filmmakers not just Hollywood. The Brevard Film office hooked me up with my location, which, if you've seen the film, had exactly what I needed and looked very exotic.

DO save your work very often...if you think you've been saving too often, guess what? Time to save again. Even with today's PC's video and FX take a heavy toll on systems.

DO pick a shooting ratio and stick to it. I know the majority of us are shooting on tape or MiniDV and not film. So why the shooting ratio? Well because Time is your enemy! I'm not saying to rush through stuff....just keep in mind that if you do 40 takes of one shot...that's a lot of time wasted. If you have a short shooting schedule, shooting without a ratio can even jeopardize the completion of your film.

DO use the interet and forums. We have a tremendous resource base available for the first time in human history. And we are making history, we are the first generation of entirely digital and wired filmmakers. What do you have to offer the future?

Don't take criticism too seriously. yes you might get laughed at wearing costumes to your locations. Yes people WILL say your film sucked. So what? Where is their film?

Don't let anyone else usurp your vision. Make the film you want to make! It's going to take a lot of work and many hours. If you're not working on something you want, It will never get finished. A lot of the fan film sites have a beef with Lightsaber movies...since among the Fan Film community this is the single most popular form of fan film...and progs like ALAMDV have made the effect easier to do. You know what? If you want to make a saber battle...make a saber battle!

Don't get discouraged by other fan films. I know this one will be hard to do...but you must push it out of your mind. When I was working on mine, DUALITY, one of the most successful fan films, and DARK SKIES, premiered. Both are laden with CGI Fx, while there are relatively few in my film...I got really discouraged...but you know what? I have more dialogue in my film than both of those combined! Make your film and be happy with it! Watch the other ones and see what they did right and wrong and use that knowledge to make yours better.

DONT try to film your fan film in a single day. I did it, and regretted every day in post...half of my FX in the film are actually opticals trying to make shots work...or trying to splice different takes together to make one good one. Trust me, you don't want to do that.

Above all!

DON't Give up! EVER!

And

DO have fun!
Fan films are labors of love...you'll wind up in debt (if you're old enough) and with annoyed friends/girlfriends who think you're spending too much time working on your film. There is little or no glory. The best case scenario is that some other fans will watch it and give you kudos. In the end you should be able to look back and say, "Yeah! That was fun! I can't wait till the next one." If you can't do that...get a different hobby...because this one can be unforgiving.
Posted: Wed, 14th Nov 2001, 10:51pm

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I had schedule change were I work so my work load has changed therefore I have not had the time to post a new Fanfilm pick. Recently two new films were added to TFN. Both heavy on the FX. One is the long awaited move by Joe Malone called "Knight Quest". Very cool there is alot of bluescreen and layering going on and it is pretty action packed.They had a bigger budget, profesional actors, and top grade FX. Mostly shot on location with a few Blue screen shots. In Post the added the Dusk sky. Very nice motion tracking for few shots, the used mainly stablized hand held Cameras. Motion tracking was very teadious on several shots with the dusk sky.Atention to detail really makes this effect stand out. Also Darth Vader makes an appearence and might I add that the Costume ROCKS! Addtionally the voice over actor for Darth is very convencing. His name escapes me right now but he is in demand. I think he has done Vadar's voice in other Fan Films and is due to reprise it in other films on the horizon...

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/knightquest/

Another that I recently wathched was
"Emergence of the Sith" by Carlo Leone. This one was filmed with a small budget and only 4 people including cast and crew.This one has a large amout of blue screen and the sound editing is some of the best I have heard in a fanfilm lately.To make up for the lack of cast there is a lot of creative voice manipulation to make the voices different. Some of the stuff that stands out are the cockpit scenes and the Bountyhunter's Thermomagnetic cloaking shield. There are a few other kickers but I do not want to spoil it. Really great work.

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/emergence/

I know this was a mouth full but I feel both of these fanfilms are worth the download.biggrin

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Posted: Sat, 1st Dec 2001, 4:50am

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I guess this thread turned out to be pretty lame.... Back to the drawing board.........
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NO

I want MORE!

I need to know the good ones so I don't waste my time smile

MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE please

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I viewed "Seeds of Dark Darkness" today. In one word: DOWNLOAD! This film has raised the bar in several areas. 1st and foremost the CGI is Awesome! Lots of action packed dogfights and of course a saber duel. Icicle Studios has really come through on this one. I thoroughly enjoyed it. It is kind of big to download but it is worth it. If you like lots of space combat this film is for you. The CGI on these sequences is very close to Studio level. I am rambling so just download the film and watch it I am sure you will love it.


http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/seedsofdarkness/


Glad to see there is still a fellow TFN junky out there. Thanks Craig biggrin
Posted: Tue, 4th Dec 2001, 11:22am

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Hi,

I'm back too, my computer caught fire last week (probably from downloading your hot film choices smile ) While i am here I might aswell ask what you think of the title for episode two Attack of the Clones....


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Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2001, 12:49am

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This is a touchie subject.... hmmmm... Lots of Die Hard SW fans think the title is lame... I would like to 1st off explain I do consider myself a SW fanatic and I for one like the name. It is remenicent(SP?) of the old Serial Movies of film's golden age. That is what inspired GL to do SW in the 1st place. Second I think part of the problem with the name is that alot of SW fans have Preconceived notions about Episoeds 1-3. Back in the 80's and early 90's there were alot of SW Legends about original manuscripts and titles for all "9 episodes". Most of which were fabricated by over enthusiastic fans and pawned off as, "My cousins friend that works for Lucasfilm found this and copied it..." The titles should be what GL makes them. Let us not forget that the 1st few runnings of SW "Episode IV A New Hope" did not always have that Subtitle. It was later added for continuity with the next two. Anyway "Attack of the Clones" is a good title it describes "loosely" what to expect. When we all 1st heard the title "The Phantom Menace" lots of "fans" hated it. I felt the title was perfect. There is a looming darkeness or Menace in the background that we (the audience) have kind of a foresight into but the Players on the screen have no clue. Not to "blaspheme" but if you really think about it were the oringanal Subtitles for the Saga all that Extravigant? They just described what was happening... Yeah, I know that was long winded so to answer, yes I like the title for Episode II biggrin


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Posted: Wed, 5th Dec 2001, 4:34pm

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Hi,

Yeah, I see what you are saying, I don't dislike it, I just thought The Clone Wars would be more appropriate, and a bit more dramatic. I guess I should adjust the rose tinted specs when I look at the 'first' three. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter what they are called, we will all go and see it.....

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ps. still downloading Seeds Of Darkness
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Well, I got bored. Here is another flick from TFN that I recommend. It has a different flavor,if you will,from the normal FanFilm. Clay Kronke is the creator of this film. If you saw Knight Quest(see previous picks) you have already seen his work. He was the Primary rotoscope artist for the sabers in KQ. The film this time is called "Brains and Steel". It is an adaptation of a scene from another movie. I will not spoil it with the title of the oringnal movie. The scene is a rather well know Duel. But in this interpetation it has lightsabers instead or Rapiers(sp?).
here's the link:

http://www.theforce.net/theater/shortfilms/brains/

Clay also has a Fan site hosted on Starwars.com with lots of rehearsal footage. Ranging from CGI to just camera tests. My favorite is the duel. Of course all his work here is great. He is a well rounded artist so check out all his stuff.

Here's the link:
http://fan.starwars.com/thenewworld/

(update 12-12-2001) He is in the process of moving his page if you have trouble with the above link try this address:

http://www.amfilms.com/~clay/

After you check out his stuff drop him an email and let him know what you think.

Hope you like biggrin

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I ment to include this tidbit when I 1st posted about SOD. In the end credits of most higher end Fan films you see a quib,"Created Entirely on Macintosh Computers" On SOD at the end it says something like "Edited on IBM Compatible PCs Exclusivley". Not that this was important it was odd to see it.... Yea PCs biggrin


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Inconceivable!
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Got any I-O-cane powder?
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Hi guys. does anyone still come here to check out the Picks? TFN has a few fanfilms on the Horizon. One of which is called Tydirium. Any of you hardcore SW fans will recoginize this name. It was of vital importance to ROTJ.
This film is not complete but the 1st trailer is out. It is absolutely one of the best trailers let alone complete fanfilms I have seen. It is a very good study in composition and technique. Really knock your socks off stuff. This is the 1st Trailer I have posted about, you will see why once you've viewed it. The fans are really putting out great stuff. Download this Trailer. You will not be disappointed.

http://www.theforce.net/theater/comingsoon/tydirium/

The Trailer is only 11 MB, a mite smaller than most of the stuff I post about.
Hope you like :grin:

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Yeah, that looks like it's going to be a good one, the fast zoom from the star destroyers to the guys eyeball is the highlight.

But I love anything that creates a branching story to the main films.

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Hi again... While I am awaiting some more Fan films to get posted at TFN, I have been perusing(SP?)the web and came across a "saberfu" tute by our own Rogue428. It was pretty informative and those of us with little or no staged combat XP it is very cool. He takes a very simple approach and gives an outline for fight development and then gives some books to check out.

http://www.apocprod.com/Pages/tutorials/staged.htm

The "engine" and guildlines he sets forth are expandible in scope, so with a little practice and some good storyboards you should be on your way to fighting "like Jedi." As soon as I get my hands on some more fan films I will post them.
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Wow, thats cool. I never knew lightsabering was such an art!
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I finally went and grabbed a download manager, so now I have the means to actually watch some of the films being discussed here. I did watch Brains and Steel, and enjoyed it very much. I also have the first 1/3 or so of A Question of Faith (so far), and was very impressed with the saber-fu in that one. It really makes you want to dig out the sabers and go at it. As I eventually get the rest of these films you have been discussing, I'll try to give some more input.

If Joe decides to continue this thread.

Axeman
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I fullly intend to keep posting new films. So keep watching and commenting smile I am awiting the completion of 2 more films "Sins of the Jedi" and "Broken Alligence". I have also just looked at TFN and there are a couple of new ones completed. I am in the process of downloading and adding new reviews. SO hang tight, new stuff is on the way biggrin Here are the links to the trailers for these films. Both have Behind the scenes Shorts availible too. The Broken Alligence behind the scenes stuff is better quality though. Since we are up and coming film makers and/or students of film it is nice to see how other people like us are going about making films and improving their craft.

http://www.theforce.net/theater/comingsoon/sinsofthejedi/

http://theforce.net/theater/comingsoon/brokenallegiance/

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Posted: Tue, 19th Feb 2002, 5:39am

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Back again. I have now viewed several of the fanfilms discussed here, namely, A Question of Faith, Duality, and Seeds of Darkness.

The CG work in SOD blew me away. Some really excellent stuff. The acting, on the other hand...

AQOF definitely has the best fight sequences- great choreography, spot-on technical execution, and good camerawork, too.

Duality I thought was the best of these three overall. I thought the story as it was presented was good. It did feel like a small piece of a larger story, and the technical aspects of it were very good, from the CG stuff, to the lighting, the camerawork, all very good for amateur work. They did jump and spin a bit much, but not so much that I thought it really detracted from the fight.

But my choice for the overall best I have seen so far is TROOPS. It is presented as a comedy, but the special effects stuff is very good, the story and writing are quite good, the locations and sets are fantastic, and the acting is the best I have seen in any of the fanfilms. The story fills in the blanks perfectly, the TV show parody is dead-on, and it is really funny. The costumes are excellent, as well. Viewed as a fanfilm, made by non-professionals, I cannot find any aspect of this film that was really done poorly.

I am downloading Knightquest right now.

Axeman

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KnightQuest was symptomatic of so many films that came out last year, superb on the technical front, fight scenes well choreographed, costumes/props of a high standard but the story/script either had some huge flaws or had some outrageous lines (KQ was guilty of this). In some the editing of action scenes was just too slow (Rogue) and others could not make their mind up what they wanted to be. Too many films have just degenerated into Lightsabre fights between Jedi and Sith (not that there's anything wrong with that and I realise it can be tell a story in say 20-30 minutes but surely we can do something different).

There are some very promising new films coming out and one of my favourites is Tydirium (www.tydirium.tv) from Germany.
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I thought it was pretty well executed all in all...but for people who actually practiced their fight sequences, I thought they could have been a bit better. The FX and CG were very very good.


on antoher note:

Responding to Averagejoe about my "Band of Troopers" clip.

That was just a test to see if we could execute a concept that was on people's minds here at the local Fanforce. It worked great. So you can expect to see that in the future. And yes I did add film damage and desaturated the color to go for that "Saving Private Ryan" look...and that's why all the blasters and explosions look white. I'll have to tweak that in the future.... I also got lazy and didn't do any shot that required a matte and that's why some of the troopers are running right in front of explosions but the explosions don't disappear behind them.

Thanks for the interest.....the evil whore that is the fanfilm has got me in her clutches again.
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It has been months since I posted here last. In short I have been waiting for a little Aussie production by the name of "Broken Alligence". I was very, very pleased with this flick overall cool . The file size is kind of large, rounds out about 130 MB, Do not let this keep you from DLing it. It is in sorenson3 so you will need QT5 to see it. We get to see some really great CGI, Acting, and Action. I would go into details of the story but I am afraid to spoil parts. BTW watch the credits in their entirety... you'll see wink

So here it is

"Broken Alligence" on TFN

Hope you like it, I did biggrin

P.S. Rougue428 when do we expect to see "Legacy of the Sith"? Also if you have not DLed "Band of Troopers" on the ALAMDV Cinema section do so smile I know some of you will nit pick it... but the concept is FRICKEN COOL!
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When can you expect "legacy"...really don't know. It isn't really my fan film...more something that I'm helping out on. But it is cool. We shot some stuff on the 20th and we'll be shooting some more on the 5th. Very neat concept....
Posted: Mon, 24th Jun 2002, 11:54pm

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At long last I have watched some more Fan films on TFN. I recently saw a follow-up trailer for "Sins of the Jedi" and a little flick called "Essence of the Force".

"Sins of the Jedi" on its 1st trailer did not really tute my horn for some reason. This latest trailor really showcases what this film might be like. This is one of those larger Budget FanFilms. It became very evident with this trailor. It looks very promising and I can't wait to see the full Flick.This one rounds up to about 7MB. I do think it is worth it.

SOTJ Trailor B


Next I took a look at "Essence of the Force". This one's really, really impressed me. Very good on all fronts. Top notch production complete with crane work, this is something that is lacking in almost all fanfilms(for obvious reasons of course, $$$$ wink ). To top it off, this is a comedy with a surprise ending. With careful reading of the scrolling text at the begining you will not be very surprised though. Or at least you will be thinking, "I should have seen that coming!" Beyond this the costumes, set, lighting, and fight coordination are AWESOME. In fact at one point the hand to hand melee remined me of some older Steven Segael movies... wink Check it out this is definatly worth the DL in my opinion. It rounds out at 60MB, dont let this hold you back. It is worth it.


EOTF_480

BTW both movies are in QT format. You will need that to view them. Lastly both of these links are on the Emergency Mirror that was GRACIOUSLY set up. TFN has been having problems with thier FTP. It has been way too slow. Thus I did not provide the usual links to the pages on TFN. Hope you like them biggrin

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Posted: Tue, 25th Jun 2002, 12:10am

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That EOTF was great. Very well done. I wish it was longer. I also will try to download some.
Posted: Tue, 9th Jul 2002, 6:01pm

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eotf was cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The fight scenes (not the lightsaber one) were cool biggrin