Die Another Day
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 5:00am
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On Thursday the 21st of November I was able to attend a private screening of the latest James Bond film-
I personally think that it is Brosnan's best and that it counters some of even Sean Connery's films-
the way that I felt about this film was that it was more like the Bond films in the "Good old days" rather than Brosnan's last three films.
On a scale of one to ten I would give it a 9.5-
what is your opinion on a scale of one to ten?
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 10:24am
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Saw it last night. It was absolutely f**king fantastic.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 11:31am
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ooh, i cant wait to see it, i gonna see it this weak someday when i got the time, and man im a big fu**ing 007 fan, i got all the movies!!
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 11:58am
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We saw it a few days back.
I thought it was perhaps the worst Bond movie ever made. It started off ok, then got better for the first half. But the second half, mainly from when they go to the ice palace, is absolutely terrible.
Aside from the astonishingly bad special effects, the script is laughable, the characters (other than Bond) are essentially non-existent, the camera work and editing is generally uninspired or muddled and the action sequences are incompetently handled.
After a promising start I was very, very disappointed. Not as much as Schwar and Meridian, however, who both thought it was just as bad as xXx and 28 Days Later.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 12:24pm
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damn tarn, no i CAN wait to se it!
I guess they cant make movies like in da old days!
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 1:56pm
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I agree with Tarn on this, I'm a huge Bond fan and have seen all the films more than once, bit this film was the worst film I've seen all year, it was even worse than xXx. The beginning was fantastic, and thought it would be really gritty as he had been tortured and would want to get revenge. But the dodgy one-liners all the way through simply spoiled any atmosphere they were trying to get. The scene where Bond was hanging of the cliff of ice and surfed up that iceburg was crap, the bluescreening was laughable, our new product Chromanator will be much better than that (free plug!!
). Anyway I can't wait for the next Lord or the Rings, and going to buy Spiderman on DVD tomorrow, hoping to get this nasty film out of my head.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 5:13pm
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timbuk2: dont forget to buy the dvd with 2 disc's, the second one i cool!
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 6:07pm
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You guys that did not like the film at all:
I am not trying to degrade your opinion in any way but with Bond films you have to be more lenient with the script and special effects(because they were done in 3 or 4 months) because the scripts in Bond films have never been good if not awful but maybe in the other films they were trying to capture a different sort of essence of Bond than they were in this film.
I myself am a Bond fan, a huge one at that, and I liked the way that this one was going rather than the past films since Connery played Bond. This film is a sort of mixed-breed- it has elements from all of the old Bond films(take away dalton). It was sort of camp like Roger Moore and outrageous like Sean Connery. I mean,
you cannot be expected to believe that Bond could never get hit by a bullet(except in Thunderball at the Junkanoo) or never really get badly hurt and that is because you are not supposed to, you are meant to enjoy a film when you attend it and you could tell that is definitely what they were trying to do with this latest outing.
Look at it from that perspective
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 6:14pm
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Sorry, but I can't enjoy a bad film just because it's a Bond film and it's "supposed to be bad". Bond films haven't always had bad scripts, some of them have been very good. Admittedly Bond effects have never been the best, but they've always at least stood up at the time of release.
Die Another Die was a bad film. Simple fact. You might enjoy it or you might not, but it was a bad film. You admit this yourself. But I'm not prepared to cut it some slack just because it's a Bond film.
I expect Bond films to be the best when it comes to action and sheer escapist fun, with a nice twist of Britishness. I don't expect a shoddily made amateur production that the filmmakers on this website could upstage.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 6:32pm
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you know what, I guess that you are probably right but I still did love the film and I have seen it three times and still not gotten bored of it. And the special effects did really suck too but I feel that they were good enough to represent what was happening in the film. And I have heard some people nagging that they used too many computer effects- how in God's name are they supposed to dangle an actor over a cliff and then have the cliff get cut off and have him surf the aftermath wave that was tsunami size? Oh yeah, I forgot that filmmakers can now predict the actual places where these events will take place and the exact time that it will happen, I mean, come on guys. The blue screening in the film was definitelhy sub par but the way that they made it look in the end was that you could tell that he was not there but it still looked cool.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 7:15pm
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Is it just me, or is Halle Berry extremely unsuitable as a Bond girl? I haven't watched the movie yet, but I'm already cringing at the prospect of seeing her as a Bond girl
Then again, she does fulfill the most important of the 'B'ond girl criteria: 'B'usty and 'Beautiful'
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 8:04pm
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I would have to agree with Tarn and the CSB guys.
All I could do when I left the cinema was 'huh?' and say 'wasted two hours!'.
Die Bond Die, not Die Another Day.
I could have watched Ren & Stimpy re-runs in that time or even A.I.
Not to say Pierce didn't do a good job, baring in mind the script Pierce should get an Oscar for best adaptation for 'trying' or something.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 9:36pm
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I don't understand how you could not have enjoyed it.
The story was odd (not bad) and the bluescreening was pretty shitty with the parachute thing, but other than that, the whole movie was top notch. A blast throughtout.
I give it 4/5.
And not, D.A.D was not a bad film...watch muffy and jebadiah
Harry Potter on the other hand, was awful. Completely ridiculous and painful to watch. All the actors like Jason Issacs (sp), RIchard Harris, Maggie Smith even Alan Ricman bringing themselves to such a level is sad. I hope potter dies.
Posted: Sun, 24th Nov 2002, 10:09pm
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Well I am glad that I am not the only one who liked it.
Posted: Wed, 27th Nov 2002, 6:00am
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I guess I'll put my two cents in...since I am the minority- I enjoyed the bond movie...Yea the blue screening was TERRIBLE TERRIBLE in the two parts mentioned before and yes some of the one liners said by the actors made me cringe but over all it was an extremely entertaining movie..
how could you not enjoy that sword fight! that rocked!
Everyone has to admit that this is better than the last Brosnan flick...I mean come on...Denise Richards as a Nuclear Physicist?
Overall Die Another Day was very entertaining...the awful one liners just made it better because i could make fun of them with my friends the whole time.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 12:16am
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Die Another Day has overpassed the 100 million dollar mark in only a little more than a week in America! Hey, you guys in London or Britain, how much money has it made over there? It is actually doing the best out of any bond film
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 12:29am
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Shame it is rubbish...
Doesn't feel like Bond at all. The effects are very lame, the stunts are ridiculous (not just very far fetched like normal Bond) and mainly CG. What makes it all worse is that Bond does no spy work at all and the dialog is poor and corny (feels more like a Bond spoof at some points).
Jinx was far too prominent for a Bond film and just seemed to fail at everything (not exactly a hard core spy - more like a comedy spoof spy). The opening scene and opening titles of the film looked and felt true Bond and it looked like they could have taken Bond in an interesting direction with the torture camp but by half way in it was feeling more like xXx than Bond.
The diamond mine was on top of a lake - how does that work? The plane's wings were on fire, which is where fuel is generally stored - big explosion that didn't happen?
Yeah, some people say Bond has always had dodgy scripts and effects but this Bond cost 140million+ to make. They could and should have done a lot better. I rate Die Another Day as one of the worst films I've seen all year - even Halle coming out of the water wasn't good enough to shift this film out of my "never want to see it again" list. Unfortunately I did see it again, my girlfriend wanted see it. On second viewing I liked it even less, although the start was good, then second half seemed even worse and even more silly.
But in answer to your question, I think its doing really well over here. Well it has beaten Harry Potter. I look forward to a class film coming along and kicking its ass. I used to love Bond but I fail to see how they can return from this film. We need Two Towers now...
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 2:25am
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I now see why I should not have posted anything about Die Another Day on a special fx website, all that you can say about it is that the fx sucked. I mean, the script was bad but I and everyone else that I have talked to said that it was enjoyable like I myself think. I do not think that you can call yourself a "Bond fan" unless you can accept anything and everything that they put into theatres. Before I really considered myself a Bond fan I hated the Roger Moore films but I then grew to accept them for what they were, movies. It's not like they were trying to win an oscar for anything in any of the categories! And to those of you who say that you expected more from Bond, how could you? I bet that in a year or two, most of you will enjoy the film. That is really how I started out, I thought that the films were lame and stupid but then I started to love them because they tried to do something new and different, just like DAD was trying to do. I also enjoy Bond films because they are just fun to watch. Are we supposed to believe that Bond could surf a tsunami, no, are we supposed to believe that Bond could pull a plane out of a 90 degree angle in about a hundred feet, no. And that is how you are meant to take in the films.
It is very easy to be a critic, but it is also very easy to accept something for what it is and not for what you think that it should have been.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 2:47am
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i think this film kicked ass. It was a surprise cause it was nothing like the previous films. I disagree with you tarn on this one. How can you not like this film i mean come on it ruled.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 3:30am
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thank you, I am glad that I am not the only one,
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 8:00pm
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I, for one enjoyed the movie iimmensly. And all of you are missing out on the movie experience, i can imagine every one of you stepping into the cinema and saying to yourself throughout the movie: "hrmm, the lighting on this scene isnt the best" "I SOOO saw that coming, this is so obvious - sucky." "Ah, that laser was so un-laser-ish, not like my movies" and other things alike. you just cant enjoy movies anymore can you?
since you've grown so used to making comments on everything you see, this is not expertise, its not helping you, its just ruining something that was made for your amusement, i saw you stop thinking about the small details and just watch a movie without digging into the knowledge you found in alamdv or other places - im sure you'll find it more enjoyable...
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 8:03pm
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1007 wrote:I started to love them because they tried to do something new and different, just like DAD was trying to do.
Sooo... you arent new and different?
Posted: Tue, 3rd Dec 2002, 10:56pm
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Thank you Xfurball, I am glad that you enjoyed the film and that you see things the way that I see them. And when I said that I liked Bond films because they were trying to do something new and different, that was when I started liking them which was when I was about five and was used to watching overrated cartoon films. I then started to love them because they are so damned entertaining!
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 12:17am
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On the contrary. My study of film and my acquisition of a more critical mind when it comes to cinema has greatly enhanced my enjoyment of movies.
When I see a great film, it takes me soaring straight through the movie screen, enveloping me in the fictional world to such an extent that it never quite leaves me again. I entertains me, time flying by without me even realising. Sometimes it educates me, preferably indirectly, prompting new thoughts in me that hadn't occurred before. A great film is an experience I will never, ever forget.
However, the flipside of this understanding of film is that a poor film is now unforgivable. It is a distasteful moment, like when you're eating a fantastic meal and suddenly you come across a bit of gristle, something horrible that you're not quite sure what to do with.
So, yes, badly made films like Die Another Day I cannot enjoy like I once did. This I am glad of. It means I don't have to waste my time on such utter tripe, and it also goes a little way towards ensuring that I will never make such a monstrosity myself.
However, what I am particularly glad of is that I can now watch films like Donnie Darko, Fellowship of the Ring, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Fight Club...(list goes on forever) and experience them in a way I never thought possible.
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 12:32am
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what is it with this movie that everyone loves sooo much? It was boring and unintersting, and a cinematic clone to a few other movies. (like that one with liam neeson, where the fighting is identical.....yes, identical, and it was out way b4 fightclub)
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 12:37am
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...You made me do this cypher... im sorry but it must be done..
PILE UP ON CYPHER!!!!!!11111
*jumps on Cypher*
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 12:42am
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Fight Club's fight scenes are just normal, real-style fights. The fights are just a small part of the movie. Personally I think it's the greatest movie made in the 90s.
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Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 12:44am
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Schwar looks at Tarn's list....
I like Fight Club but I don't think it is anywhere near as good as Donnie Darko or Fellowship of the Ring so I won't be attacking Cypher just yet
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 1:02am
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After seeing the movie twice, once just as a movie, and the second time looking for good qualities in it, im not impressed or entertained. so i laugh at people that say its the greatest or best movie (all time/year/decade etc).
so here goes:
Tarn, Xfurball, sfb, and everyone else: HA.......HAAAAAAAAAA! Fight club is not revolutionary, its not entertaining, its stupid, gay (literally, there have been critics proving that fightclub is gay...but then again, what do critics know right?)
Fight club was weird in the market cuz it was loved in screenings, hated when released in theatres, and then loved again when it came out to own.
Norton's a great actor, Pitt is when he wants to be, I like David Fincher's work (the game, panic room) but fight club was just cold.
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 1:17am
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Fight Club was 'gay'?
Way to go on the intelligent analysis there. Heh.
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 2:26am
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luckily, i don't know what 'anaylsis' means, so jokes on you! i'm not offended!
lol. whatever, i don't like fight club...at all, if you do, i don't care, unless you think its one of the greatest films (which its not...)
but you cant really say die another day is a bad
movie, its not bad
, there have and always be worse films. Ive seen it twice, naturally, the 2nd time was less fun, but i enjoyed myself and wouldn't mind seeing it again.
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 3:03am
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Well, even if I do disagree with your film taste, I can forgive it all because you have the best sig on the forum.
Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 3:11am
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Posted: Wed, 4th Dec 2002, 11:28pm
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Posted: Thu, 5th Dec 2002, 12:39am
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Cypher wrote:Fight Club...ewwwww
a cinematic clone to a few other movies. (like that one with liam neeson, where the fighting is identical.....yes, identical, and it was out way b4 fightclub)
You didn't understand anything if you just watch the movie for the fights in it
lol. whatever, i don't like fight club...at all, if you do, i don't care, unless you think its one of the greatest films (which its not...)
Fight Club is one of the best movie ever
About DAD : I'm all mess up
should I go pay to watch it or not??
Some of you say it's the best James Bond and some say it's the worst
Posted: Thu, 5th Dec 2002, 1:05am
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you should just pay and go see it and post what you thing, i think its the best but thats just me.
Posted: Thu, 5th Dec 2002, 1:58am
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You didn't understand anything if you just watch the movie for the fights in it.
first time i watched it was just as a movie and fighting, wan't paying much else attention consider it was about 2am.
people told me to watch it again, when i wasn't so tired. I did, saw what they were trying to do...ie, the whole anarchy thing, but it doesn't appeal to me, i don't care about that.
Like american beauty which sooo many people love, i think was extremely boring and pointless, but then again, im not a middle-aged man suffering from depression was it? it's not interesting to me.
Posted: Thu, 5th Dec 2002, 9:42am
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Fight Club isn't really about anarchy. But never mind.
American Beauty is an odd one. On the one hand, it's a superbly crafted movie. On the other hand, it's a pretentious and overblown movie that preaches rather too heavy-handedly. I still really like it though.
Posted: Thu, 5th Dec 2002, 1:20pm
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'Amercian Beauty' is worth watching just to see Mena Suvari's hot *censored* - 'Nuff said!