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Stargate EARTHBOUND

Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 4:45pm

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b4uask30male

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There are two parts to this
A Gou'ld ship crashes to earth, unleashing the deadly replicators, The SG1 team have to stop them, but to add to the trouble another Gou'ld ship lands on earth.

While this is going on the Asgard is in battle with an Unknown race.
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Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 5:36pm

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YIPPIIEHH!!! ITS ONLINE!!! Me want to see it!


But I can't download it... i got speeds like 80 bytes per second max... And I have 512 Kbit downstream... what's the problem? sad
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 6:06pm

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geekshelf, cry very slow server

Er-no might put it on his server, I'll get in touch with him.
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 6:19pm

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Yeahhhhhhhhhhh baby its on release right ??

When's the premiur B4 ?? smile

Is it on DVD yet ??

Cant wait to see it .. biggrin
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 7:06pm

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The very best of luck with this "b4".....I'm looking forward to its PREMIERE.
gerrit!

Cheers O'l MIGHTY ONE
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 7:22pm

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Must. Watch. It.
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 11:41pm

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Ok, I have now watched it all, although it seems now the first part will need to be uploaded again on my server.

I seem to have the sneak peak first look, and I have to say I really enjoyed it. The humour was fantastic, loved the one liners, best one was yours Ian with the 'fishing' bit. biggrin

It was all fantastic, however, the part where the sound seems to disappear is the only let down. I know this is not probably your fault and seems to happen through compression or something.. however that still didn't take away the fact that the AlamDV plugins were maxed out with use and it just shows of everything thats good about the film. Even the fact that a few people from these forums (including me) are in it. smile

This is not a five because I was in it. Its a five because I know how good this is and just how well its been edited considering how much was filmed, it just went above my expectations and I hella can't wait for the DVD of the film with the extras.

I can't wait for others to see it.

Best ever line is in that car scene. Who will guess which smile

Superb. I could write more, ok.. I will.

The alien HUD was perfect, I really admired this as I am having problems with mine as I practice one for my own production. I loved it when flameboy, curran and i rolled it over and shot at it, my favorite scene.

(stops writting)

I want another one. smile
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 11:43pm

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Absolute crap!

I clicked vote and the thing went back to 0 then voted!

ARGH! I need malone or someone to sort that out!
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 11:48pm

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hey, i shock at the moment and i know that u miss the five and hit 0, malone will sort it so no worry biggrin , cannot wait to see da movie biggrin

and oh, he just went sleep, pm him and it will sort tomorrow
Posted: Fri, 13th Dec 2002, 11:56pm

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Oh god. I feel terrible. I really hope it gets sorted out, this will make b4uask upset when he sees it because he will wonder who did it. sad

I will PM malone. smile
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 12:47pm

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Its all changed and ready for a faster download. I just hope my bandwidth can keep you all satisfied without fizzing out!

A few of you may be having problems viewing what has been uploaded.

www.er-no.tv/EARTHBOUND/ is another source where you can download the parts. These are working more frequently then the shown links.

P.S I Hate Windows


Thanks.
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 2:08pm

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http://www.er-no.tv/EARTHBOUND

the other one didnt work!
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 2:30pm

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OKey.. now i d/l.. er-no's server is really fast. i d/l it in 270kbits/S! biggrin

Its was good.. really good..
The music was very well edited! Good Script, good actors, especilly in the car there.. that was very well acting.. some thing that u could remember is if u use an explotion, have a tripod to the camera so it dosen't move..! it will look much better!
Good Work Ian!

/Andy
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 2:35pm

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Andreas wrote:

OKey.. now i d/l.. er-no's server is really fast. i d/l it in 270kbits/S! biggrin

/Andy
I aim to please. Woah at 270kbits/sec.

I didn't even know that was possible from my server, eek

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Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 2:43pm

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heh, thats even faster then my BroadBand should go.. its just 2.5 mbit! biggrin
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 5:56pm

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Yup it was great,

Prozzzz

+Nice 3d mixed with real footage and 3d animation

+Good acting( some can be improve but i like most of the time )

+Camera angels is really SUPERB

+Use of alam fx is excelent, hey i saw my plug-in, woaw i really like it cause u can use the targeting thing properly

+Use of music is Superb

HEY I LIKE THE FLYING THING WHEN IT WITH THE AEROPLANE, IT IS REALLY COOOOOOOOLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor

-Some bit of the sound fx is poor (same area as i saw in stargate sneak peak)most SOUND FX of the movie is good but can be improve ( i know it is hard to add sound fx for a log movie clip )

-Poor use of alam fx on only 2 little area when the guy attacking the replicator, the blue laser is really ood
and the ground explotion in an area(dont remember when) need to be bigger.

-i dont see any STARGATE, HEHEHE

the movie on overal is superb

i will give it a 4 but higher 4 so it is a 4.5 but i think i give it a 5 cause of ur effort on the movie, i really like it
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 5:57pm

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................................. biggrin biggrin
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 7:46pm

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Rating: +2

this link is for the mpeg version
http://www.er-no.tv/EARTHBOUND/earthboundmpg.mpg

( with thanks to er-no )
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 9:01pm

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First of all: The movie was very entertaining! smile

I thought the story was cool, the actors were pretty good and the special effects were mostly very well done! (you truly are the king of poser b4!)
And it was very obvious that you truly had a lot of work with the film and that a lot of love went into it.

Only negative points to me we're some parts of the storytelling... Some actionscequences had too long too really start and the ending was pretty fast...

I would give it 4,5 stars, but as this isn't possible, you get 5... I truly think you deserved them. smile
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 9:25pm

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great FX! lol
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 9:31pm

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took forever to download even with cable! but It was worth is, great use of CG, did you said you used poser for all of that? cool
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 9:43pm

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poser = eg :tanks & the ashrak man running, alien and inside his ship
studio 7 ( pinnacle ) editing
alamdv ( 2d replicators animated to try and look 3d ) gun shots & fire etc
bryce. = space battles

but poser could have done the space battles.
Posted: Sat, 14th Dec 2002, 10:23pm

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......and oh, the targeting thing is alam fx

heheheheheh lol
Posted: Sun, 15th Dec 2002, 11:30am

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I finally got 'round to watching it: hurray! It was great! Although some of the actors seemed somewhat hesitant and inhibited at times, everything else was executed sweetly! I especially liked the tasteful use of music, although the introduction of more ambient sounds would have benefitted the film greatly.

The 3D elements should've cast shadows as well: the main reason for them looking so 2D is because there weren't any shadows smile But I know how hard 3D is to do, so I'll keep my trap shut biggrin

Very well done, b4uask and crew! It was truly great seeing some of you AlamDV lads on the film: it is a sign of even better things to come! cool

5 stars!

P/s: Ada1989, your plugin looked oh-so-cool in the film, man! Thumbs up to you too! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 15th Dec 2002, 1:12pm

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This is a real production job.....absolutely first class.....fantastic humour...all the crew are superb (the Alam lads must have had only a v.short time to rehearse)..."b4" has no hesitation in using any means he has available ,even if it's first time use,to get the required end product.
These guys are true "Troopers" to the Film Making cause.
My Wife and I watched it only a few moments ago and we were so impressed and laughed so much she said ring Ian and tell'em how good we thought it was.....it's Sunday so I wont disturb Ian The Great.
If this is not No.1 material what is?

Well done all the crew and the Alam gang for great performances all round...you've got something to be proud of.

5 Stars.

O'l Dav.
Posted: Sun, 15th Dec 2002, 6:49pm

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davlin wrote:

This is a real production job.....absolutely first class.....fantastic humour...all the crew are superb (the Alam lads must have had only a v.short time to rehearse)...

O'l Dav.
Short time? We had to do it there and then, with no practice biggrin

Hence some hesitation.. including that we had only met Ian about 20mins previous and hadn't shared more than 100words.

Twas strange experience... but a fantastic one. If we all did it again, I think we could produce something even better! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 15th Dec 2002, 7:59pm

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Well "ER"if you guys get together again with a rehearsed set.....watch out everybody there some real class actors there.....some of the best on Alam...All of u be proud it's a class act.
You could'nt tell that u guys had just met (I of course knew and was looking for any unease.....non to be found) a great job, which I'm sure "b4" wont mind me saying, that enhanced an already great movie .

O'l Dav
Posted: Mon, 16th Dec 2002, 5:15am

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Nice job B4. Really enjoyed several of the sequences, especially the bit where the smoke and debris (by the way I love how you guys say "debris") from the ship crash comes flying through the streets. The 3D scenes were good, but could have used some better texturing and lighting. The scene with the guy being chased in the building by the spiders was really well done. It was actually very suspenseful. The music was well edited and the pieces fit the action well. Most of the acting was very well done. The actor's audio was hard to hear at times and sounded as though it was recorded through just the built in camera mic. A lav or a boom would really freshen up the audio. It was a little confusing as to who was who and what were they supposed to be doing and why were ships being blown up by other aliens... I guess if I actually watched Stargate SG1 I might have a better understanding of what was going on. GREAT use of ALAM effects. Man, those muzzle flashes just look awesome! I've got to do a project with those sometime. Funniest part... {The General walks toward the landed ship. "I'm gonna try and find a diplomatic solution to this" BLAM! "Blow em to hell boys!"- my paraphrase-} That was great! Overall- very, very good- A little rough in spots, but a great piece for the most part.
Posted: Mon, 16th Dec 2002, 9:27am

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I Just acted in the film and B4 done all the editing,What a good job he done 2 cool
Posted: Mon, 16th Dec 2002, 3:40pm

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hi every one

i just see the whole movie. A really great job is done here (i know, coz i'm trying to do a movie now, and it's very hard).
You guy said all about it. Great job.
smile

But like often, actors are boring (except the big guy : his face look really cool for biggrin ). I don't say that to hurt them, it's a business to be an actor, so i know it's hard.
And as Sollthar said, storytelling wasn't quite good.

I put a 3,5 star, so a 4.

But once again, it's a great thing you've finished !

zaz
Posted: Tue, 17th Dec 2002, 4:19pm

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There I gave it a 5 Joe B, lol,

yer its a verry good film, apart from a few loacaton errors its verry well done..................but i note how u called it stargate.............where is this stargate u speek of?!?! tard
Posted: Tue, 17th Dec 2002, 5:18pm

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hi
thanks
the first film had the stargate in,
http://www.csb-digital.com/alamdv/cinema/movieinfo.php?id=371&x=7&y=11

we chose to follow the tv series, not all episode have the gate in, but our first film has the nice big ( kermz ) gate.

the 3rd film ( phew another one ) will have the gate and even more crappy 3d stuff wink

ps. if you want to help us ount in the next one, we had 3 guys from alamdv join us on the one you just watched.
let me know, i see you live in london, we are near heathrow.
Posted: Wed, 18th Dec 2002, 1:35pm

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I really enjoyed the film, except that I couldn't hear one bit of the sound on it! cry I watched it in computer class(he he twisted ) and the speakers in the classroom don't turn on, which is a shame sonce they have very nice speakers hooked-into the computers. crazy The CGI was no Industral Light and Magic, or Weta Ltd., but it was 100% better than the no-CGI that I produce. (I have Blender, and I don't know how to make CG with it. cry crazy tard At least it's free...) Anyways, good clip! 5 from me. razz
Posted: Fri, 20th Dec 2002, 7:27am

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i just dlded the full mpg movie yesterdaynight, and i love it, its better than the first alright!

Proz
1. Good story
2. Good CG
3. Good Camera work
4. Good Locations
5. Good actors

the cons i found were
1. the first time when u showed the cam view thru the replicators, they could see eyerthing sphereical, then suddently in the last, fight scene they can see with a high tech visor.
2. U need more fightseq's and less story lol

ps: i still want the dvd version lol

5 stars from me

billy
Posted: Fri, 20th Dec 2002, 7:55am

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billy3d wrote:

the first time when u showed the cam view thru the replicators, they could see eyerthing sphereical, then suddently in the last, fight scene they can see with a high tech visor.
Wasn't the high tech visor from the bounty hunter-like dude who ran across the screen and eventually got shot to bits? biggrin I could be / am probably wrong lol
Posted: Fri, 20th Dec 2002, 8:32am

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YOUR RIGHT MOE

the replicators were finished with half way through, once we knew how to stop them ( the kids toy ) then we finished with them and moved on to the Go'uld ship on the grass

We had been watching the ship but the Ashrak ( from stargate tv show ) is invisable, and that was his color eye shots we saw.

( sorry if it confused you, dvd still being made, in fact it might be a 2 disc set. )
Posted: Fri, 20th Dec 2002, 12:53pm

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I finally watched the film with sound yesterday!!! It was a lot better with the sound. Good music too, who made it? Watching Stargate with British accents is kinda' weird, but over all, it was pretty good! biggrin However, the spiders looked kind-of fake to me, but that might just be the commpression program quality. Like I said, worth a 5 all the way! biggrin
PS: I look forward to watching any future films you might make. wink
Posted: Fri, 20th Dec 2002, 4:03pm

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CoolKabe wrote:

I the spiders looked kind-of fake to me
What the 3D elements need are shadows, I tell ya! biggrin Shadows would make a whole world of difference. Unfortunately, shadows are also an absolute pain to do...
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 3:38pm

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I don't know, Moebius, shadows can be as easy as creating a planeto act as the ground, adding a matte shadow material to it, and then leaving it be.

I guess the difficulty would lie in what program you were using
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 3:40pm

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I'm sorry, my hands are freezing as I'm typing this, making it very hard to type.

what my previous post should have said was :

"I don't know, Moebius, shadows can be as easy as creating a plane to act as the ground, adding a matte shadow material to it, and then leaving it be.

I guess the difficulty would lie in what program you were using"

that's plane to, not planeto
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 3:48pm

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Ice_Man wrote:

I'm sorry, my hands are freezing as I'm typing this, making it very hard to type.
"I think you are taking this forum WAY to seriously! I mean come on Ice_man, that is only your nick your real name is like Bob or something! You're not really ice!" lol
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 3:53pm

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My real name's not Ice_Man? The duece you say!

It's winter, I live in a loft apartment, and it really is cold in here!


Do you honestly think I was trying to make you all believe I was cold because my online nickname is Ice_Man?
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funny x +1

But i think your taking this too serious....

Now both of you CHILL lol
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 4:00pm

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Har, har, b4uask

what's with the frosty demeanor?

I'm gonna have to give X the cold shoulder for insinuating that my name is "BOB". That hurt.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 4:04pm

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Your name is Bob. eek

I know you don't think your name is Ice Man and figured out your someplace cold but it was a little funny. Another time a guy with the nick of "Wheels" asked for tips filming a driving scene. Guess I have to much free time because I thought that was very funny too biggrin
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I know, I'm just messing with ya

actually, my name is not bob, It's Chuck. Nothing against people named bob, but I wouldn't want to be named bob

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 4:28pm

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Today I received a message from the creator of this flick telling me not to vote on these films anymore. Why? Because apparently I don't watch the films on here! Have a read...
evil
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Hay Pal

do me a favour and don't vote anymore.

You haven't even watched my earthound film, ( i checked )
and gave it a 2.

not to mention all the other films you have knocked.

( i had 3 pm's this morning saying look what someone has done )
I don't think i would have bothered writing, but i guess i'm not the only one. ( don't forget to give your film 5 ) was your trailer really better than the rest of the films on here. ?

so please ( i'm being nice ) don't vote on any of my films.
thanks
no hard feelings

_________________
Before you ask

I AM

B4uask
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First of all, let me just say that I downloaded this huge 90MB film soon after it was released. Secondly, it sat on my hard disk till just last Saturday when I decided to check it out. Third, I thought it was worse than cheese. But, that said, I saw the effort made and decided that it would be worth giving a 2.

You see, I think this is sickening. How dare someone tell me that I can't have an opinion! Not only that, but he's not happy about the films I do knock. Again, it's my opinion. The worst thing is being told that I didn't download it! How can you truly know if I did or didn't?

Now, I'll be the first to tell anyone that I really wish I hadn't given my tiny film a five. I made the mistake of thinking about all the work I put in as well as how long it took us to make it. In hindsight, I'd be hard pushed to give it a 3 or maybe a 4 these days. You see, my opinion on my own film has changed!

Now.. I think you (B4uask), should take the time to think about the message you sent me. It was quite frankly disgusting. When someone gave my film a 2, I didn't care. I didn't hound them. What mattered was, myself and the others involved were happy with the result. If you don't like my vote, too bad, that's real feedback. Just be thankful that I'm not some unknown who votes 0 on a film and then disappears. Those are the real enemy.
If this vote was hard to take, you might wanna think about posting your films on the web. Cause everyone has a different opinion...

Later,
Adam.
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Hi

i thought i was being nice, redface
Feel free to tell me what happened to t'cup gold symble on his head.

( i only say this because, i've said the same to people before, they spend a day away and come back and say, well the film was not that bad, maybe i should have voted higher ) think how that makes the maker feel.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 4:59pm

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Rating: +2

I want to start this out saying,
I don't know you adam, I haven't seen your movie, and I haven't seen earthbound yet, and I have neither love nor hatred for b4uask, so none of this is biased.

79 of your 117 votes were 3 and below. That means that you think over 65% of clips you viewed were below average. Now, granted most of the clips you viewed were nothing more than effects tests, and not EXTREMELY spectacular. First, you need to rate these with a grain of salt. They are not meant to be megablockbuster hits. Keeping that in mind, if you still think they are total BS, and worthy only of a 2, then fine. your opinion, your entitled to it. Second, if you're going to vote so low on something that obviously took tremendous amounts of effort, then you need to post WHY you're voting so low. It's only fair.

As for you voting your clip a 5, did you listen to yourself? You voted 5 because you KNEW how much work it was. Now you're saying that you'd only rate it a 3 or 4. For six minutes of film. and you give it a 3 or 4. I just watched it, and technically speaking, I wasn't impressed. The lighting was bad, the effects weren't very well done (except the lightsaber, it looked fine, just kind of dumb in that setting) According to your description, you worked a small plot into the film. I must have missed it. I wouldn't give your six minute clip more than a 3 for sure. I'm inclined to give it a 2.

Again, I haven't seen Earthbound, but for it's shear length, I'm going to give it at LEAST a 3. I'll decide more later.


You told B4UASK this : "If you don't like my vote, too bad, that's real feedback. " No it's not. Had you listed some reasons as to why you gave it a 2, THEN it's feedback. you just gave it a shitty rating.

Adam, if messages like the one b4 sent you are hard to take, then YOU might wanna think about posting your votes on the web. Cause everyone has a different opinion...
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 4:59pm

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Fair enough, you're looking for proof.

TCup made it into an earing.

ok?
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fair enough, i'm very sorry.
( edit- iceman posted before me, and didn't see it )


but i have had people a day later say, oops i should have gave a higher score ( meaning they didn't watch it )

i think maybe thats why it's nice if people that give a lower score then the norm ( nothing wrong with that, if they trully belive it is crap ) if they maybe just put a little comment.
I'm alway looking for comments good and bad, eg: i submitted the trailers for the film and used the negative feedback to make the film a little better.
if you don't mind could you tell me why you thought it was crap.
any reasons, eg: story, acting, fx's, all of the above, ( not just for me, but for others that get a lower score than the norm )

I've had some good feed back such as the shadows, and from that the next film i do, i will spend ages putting shadows on, and if that helps me to make a better film, then i thank the people for the comments.
Once again no hard feelings
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I've now seen Earthbound. Good job guys.

I'm assuming you didn't make those models yourself? I think they could have used a better texture. That or the compression scheme screwed up whatever texture they did have.

Somethings had shadows, some didn't. Was there a reason for that? The replicators definitely needed shadows. What computer animation program did you use?
The Tanks seemed a little small. Daniel was taller than one of them at one point.

It was a little hard getting used to the British accents, but it wasn't too bad.

I liked the comic names, (sanders, tom, parts, T'cup, I especially liked the Major Tom reference, I think it would have been better if he'd been stuck in orbit around earth on a training mission or something instead of being on another planet)

T'cup's staff bolt looked wierd. I would have chosen an effect other than the hadryuken blast. perhaps a blue blob laser with some lighting wreathing around it. I also think it would have been better to make T'cup staff a bit taller, It seemed too short.

I liked the music. and the sound effects.

A word to the actors, most handguns don't recoil that much (referring to Daniel firing at the replicators in the hall before the elevator)

Props looked good. Costumes needed to be finished. E.G. The general Hammond character should have lost the earings on filming days, ya'll should have found some camoflauged pants for the troops.

I know it makes sense, but it just seemed weird having the General communicate with his troops via cellphone.

How many production problems did you run into? Almost all large productions like this have some rather commical troubles. I'd be interested in hearing them. : )
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I have to reply, cause I'm feeling a bit under attack now. Not from B4uask, but from Iceman! sad

"Ice_Man"

I want to start this out saying,
I don't know you adam, I haven't seen your movie, and I haven't seen earthbound yet, and I have neither love nor hatred for b4uask, so none of this is biased.

>>>
Then let me begin by telling you that YOU are taking this further than B4uask! At least he doesn't mind so much, now. After reading your entire post - I'm baffelled by this.
>>>

79 of your 117 votes were 3 and below. That means that you think over 65% of clips you viewed were below average. Now, granted most of the clips you viewed were nothing more than effects tests, and not EXTREMELY spectacular. First, you need to rate these with a grain of salt. They are not meant to be megablockbuster hits. Keeping that in mind, if you still think they are total BS, and worthy only of a 2, then fine. your opinion, your entitled to it. Second, if you're going to vote so low on something that obviously took tremendous amounts of effort, then you need to post WHY you're voting so low. It's only fair.

>>>
True Ice, but it was a Private Message. That made me a little annoyed. Surely if it's important, it should be aired in the open? I just brought it out into the open.
I still think that there should be two different voting systems. One for films and another for tests. That would make things a little more easy to deal with.
>>>

As for you voting your clip a 5, did you listen to yourself? You voted 5 because you KNEW how much work it was. Now you're saying that you'd only rate it a 3 or 4. For six minutes of film. and you give it a 3 or 4. I just watched it, and technically speaking, I wasn't impressed. The lighting was bad, the effects weren't very well done (except the lightsaber, it looked fine, just kind of dumb in that setting) According to your description, you worked a small plot into the film. I must have missed it. I wouldn't give your six minute clip more than a 3 for sure. I'm inclined to give it a 2.

>>>
Exactly, three. Just like I said. That's what I'd give it now. If you think about it, no-one sees the effort you put into a film. Then someone watches it and decides whether they liked it or not. Simple.

First of all, it was my first ever film. Everyone's first is a little dodgy. I love explaining things so here goes...

neutral Lighting - Bad because the backlight option was left on and inside the house it was far too bright because of it.
Secondly, outside wasn't lit at all except for street lights. I'm going to upload a new version with brightened scenes, but it was pure inexperience there.

confused Effects - Again, my first and last creation in AlamDV1. So, I didn't have a great deal of knowledge or experience.

smile Plot - You probably didn't see the plot because it's a snippet scene from a bigger movie. So I think it's quite removed in that respect. However it isn't that hard to see, also.

It was only a film test. Basically, an assassin is sent to this house. He gets told by someone on the phone to kill them. So, he comes along to kill the people at the house. Why? Nobody knows, but in my full film it would make sense. Sorry for the confusion, but like I said, it's only a Film test.

As for your vote? I think it deserves a three. A two would seem like revenge in this case.
>>>

Again, I haven't seen Earthbound, but for it's shear length, I'm going to give it at LEAST a 3. I'll decide more later.

>>>
That, I think is wrong. I've got 12 minutes worth of footage on my little short. If I posted all of that, would I get an automatic 3? It was cut down to get a decent pacing. That should be where points are earned. Less is more...

Also, If someone posted a two hour film on the web, what would your starting vote be? Three? Four? Surely content and quality over quantity and length.
>>>

You told B4UASK this : "If you don't like my vote, too bad, that's real feedback. " No it's not. Had you listed some reasons as to why you gave it a 2, THEN it's feedback. you just gave it a shitty rating.

>>>
If I sat and listed everything I didn't like about it, it would be tough for the creator to sit and wade through.
Feedback can be seen in any form. If someone gave a film a 1 or 2 you'd suspect they didn't like it. That's basic feedback. Pure and simple. Listing reasons about 'why', is detailed feedback.
>>>

Adam, if messages like the one b4 sent you are hard to take, then YOU might wanna think about posting your votes on the web. Cause everyone has a different opinion...
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Okay, that last note from you was silly, wasn't it? That didn't make sense to me. smile

If someone sends you a note to 'kindly' tell you to stop voting on his films. That's as bad as a government party sending round the heavy mob! razz

Anyway. B4uask, I'll think about posting detailed feedback. To be honest, this whole thing is tough as it is. I can only try and clear this mess up about my vote and what not.

Adam.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 6:22pm

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several items this time :
What was I taking further than b4uask?

Yes, it was a private message for a reason. Between you and b4uask. If he had wanted other people to read it, I'm sure he would have posted it openly in the forum. Now that you've blasted it all over the place, what other recourse does he have but to take it graciously?
I agree with you on the different voting system thing. I believe that's important.

good critique of your on film. Reading from your description, it sounds like you tried to turn a film test into a short with a story of its own. And, if you'll notice, I haven't rated your film yet.

The longer a film is, the harder it is to keep things consistant. Working on a full length film yourself, you no doubt know what I'm talking about. And no, if someone posted a two hour long film online that wouldn't ensure a good vote. Now a 3 and half hour film on the other hand. . .
- - Just kidding, but seriously, I said I'd vote at least a 3 because I saw the trailer, and knew about how good it was going to be. After seeing the trailer, and then seeing that the final product was over 15 minutes long, then I felt I had a good handle on what to rate the film. Less isn't always more, as you tried to have me believe. Hitchcock is the only one who pulled that off consistently.

Giving a film a 1 or 2 isn't basic feedback, it's statistics. Feedback is something the creator can use to make his work better. And personally, I'd read 10 pages of critiques just to see how I can fix my errors.

That last note from me was verbatim what you wrote B4UASK in your first post. I just changed a few words to suit your problems. Your typing error I'm sure was meant to say to b4 : "If this vote was hard to take, you might wan RE-think posting your films on the web. Cause everyone has a different opinion..."
What my meaning to you was : If you can't answer for you actions (read : explain your poor vote) then maybe you shouldn't vote.

how do ya figure it's the same as the govt. sending the heavy mob?


I'd like to clarify that I'm not trying to attack you. I just feel that your rating of '2' for this film was unjustified
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 6:22pm

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Hello.

I have to say that I can see where Ice Man and b4 are coming from. I have written posts to people saying "If you have a problem with me please don't vote on my film." I don't mind if someone votes poorly on my film for a real reason but if they voted for a petty reason then I say don't vote. I don't think it is the goon squad I think it is more like let's agree to disagree.

I see most of your votes are low and I have no idea the reason and you do have a right to your opinion. B4 also has a right to say I think that the vote may be a bogus low vote and if it is please leave me alone.

I think Ice Man's comments is about your reaction to the pm.

In the end though why doesn't everyone just shake hands and come out swingin.... no wait, why doesn't everyone just shake hands and start over?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 6:23pm

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well spoken, X
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 6:43pm

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Thanks for that X.

As far as I'm concerned, what I don't like is being accused of not voting properly(?). Let me just say that there is no wrong-doing here. Like I said, if I was just an anonymous log-in, that would be sooo wrong.

I find it a bit offensive, however, that someone brings up the subject about my low voting. It's my business and since I've tried to show that there are no bad intentions, why am I pursued?

Finally, if the person who made the made the film WANTS feedback, I'll think on giving it. NO-ONE else can demand that from me. It's up to the creator, ONLY. I will not be coerced into it by others.

Please drop the subject and get back to film.

Adam.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 7:02pm

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Now all kiss and make up. biggrin

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Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 7:03pm

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awww, rich is right. . .

adam, c'mere ya big goofball!! *puckers up*
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/me imitates the girl from Forest gump/ "Run, Adam! Run!"
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 7:24pm

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*imitates Lord Farquad in Shrek*
Run, Run, Run, as fast as you can, You can't catch me! I am the ICE_MAN!!
Posted: Mon, 23rd Dec 2002, 8:01pm

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Hi
I like to be friends with everyone, but some points have been brought up, and x, i'm glad i'm not the only one that done that.
i have send a pm to adam, saying sorry, i guess i've had too many to do the unthinkable and vote before watching.

nuff said about that.

the replicators needed shadows i agree, the program used was ...... alamdv

I found a mesh ( non moving ) and asked the maker if i could use it, i then made it a plugin and tried my best to make it look like it moves... cry
I guess i could have copied them and turned them upside down ( under the correct ones ) and added 90% transparency.
But there was no sun out on any days shoot. so i was really scared to add shadows in fear of people saying " how has those things got shadows when the people haven't )
that's the last time i film in the cold....

( The staff weapon was just a broom handle cry )
and the day we shot the end scene ( when more people turned up than we thought would ) the market only sold the tops. ( will be fixed in the next one )

have you seen the first stargate on here, it shows major tom ( part 3 will explain why major tom was on tulack, he was gaurding t'cup's son " sauser "

with any luck we might just have sam carter in the next one ( not the real sam )
anyway thanks for watching it.
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It's giving me an error when I try to download it. Says that the location does not exist.
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Cypher wrote:

It's giving me an error when I try to download it. Says that the location does not exist.
Sadly this is true, and I tried to keep it on the server but my bandwidth exceeded its allocated amount by 6571% for this month. I am in trouble and the files have been deleted. I can't host them anymore.

:'( I kept it going for as long as a could.
Posted: Tue, 24th Dec 2002, 4:35pm

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thanks er-no

you done me a favour,

i have another link ( until the cool malone changes it you can view it from here )
http://www.petendom.co.uk/sg1/download.htm
Posted: Wed, 25th Dec 2002, 1:02pm

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Over the past year, I've been looking very closly at how films and TV shows are edited (as i'm going to be trying to do a showreel for myself) and I thought I'd try and give some constructive critisism (as i would want honest feedback for my project).

I see you've put a great deal of effort into this production but I feel certain things have let you down a little - one which is beyond your control is the acting so I'm going to ignore that.

Another one is the camera angles. In my study of editing, there are a lot of angles used in the story telling which helps add suspence and the story telling - the one point this jumped out at me was when the pulse was taken and he was proclaimed dead. I think a closup of the pulse taking and a close up of the guys face when he said he was dead would have improved it somewhat.

I don't know how the sound could be improved as you were using the onboard mic (especially when you consider that there's whole teams devoted to sound on productions as opposed to just you).
Again the same is true of lighting, however, i feel shooting infront of a window (even with a curtain) is a no no.

As an actual film, I thought the story didn't work too well, although there were a few nice Stargate jokes thrown in - well done. I'm looking forward to the third instalment with 'Saucer'. smile

As to the effects, shadows have already been mentioned for the replicators previously.
The muzzle flashes needed to be larger than you had them and as such looked a little bit stuck on. I can't testify to the size of real ones, but I've become accustomed to large ones in the films I've seen.
I think the space scenes should have been a little lighter as the mpeg I watched went black a lot in those places. The overall colour of the film was lacking in saturation as well and could have been enhanced a little in Premier or Final Cut (whichever was used).
There was an explosion near the end where the SG team were flung about and the camera moved and so dod the explotion! - I think that the camera should have been stationary (so the explosion would be fixed to the groung as well) and the tremble effect added after.

I did like the point of view from the replicators and the goauld (spelling!?) and the alien ship dwarfing the airoplane - the deibry flying across the houses at the start was also cool (but the mushroom cloud wasn't)!

I hope I've been constructive - I've tried to explain why and how it could be made better - for the great effort you've obviously put in, I'm going with 4 stars (but if it was half the length, it'd be 3 stars I'm afraid as I didn't feel the overal quality was up to a 4 or a 5)

Craig
Posted: Wed, 25th Dec 2002, 2:44pm

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Hi

thanks for the pointers, ( most i knew, but due to time contrainsts with cast and and weather it stopped a lot short of what i wanted )

Your right, i'm not going to use the onboard mic for the next one.

AND the best news, insted of useing studio 7 with it's 2 sound tracks, i'm learning premiere ( thanks to the guys at alamdv for the tips ) and that has 99 sounds channels and from what you say color correction ?

any pointers on that would be nice.

And the 3rd one will be shot in warmer weather.
Thanks again for the pointers i will indeed take them on board and learn from them.
Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2002, 7:50pm

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here is another link to the film
thanks
http://www.petendom.co.uk/sg1/download.htm
Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2002, 8:48pm

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Rating: +1

Let's just say that RedFruit was 100% Premiere (except for alam effects) and quite alot of people are impressed with the quality (talking about the export to TV quality, not web quality).
Posted: Thu, 26th Dec 2002, 9:20pm

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a lot of work went into this! biggrin
Posted: Mon, 30th Dec 2002, 5:52pm

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I'll just put this link here again, as the above links don't work

http://mysite.freeserve.com/Superteam
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 1:15pm

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Hehehehehe.

Best line: Russia, Japan, Turkey, Sarf'all, an' Iraq lol

Cracking film, B4, but where are the credits?

The mushroom cloud was silly, but the shockwave was excellent( I'd hide behind the tree wink )

Curses though, I tried downloading and got the first seven minutes of the full thing, and then part 2. What happened in between?

I agree about the shadow problem, perhaps someone could do a shadow plugin for overcast days( a round dark patch, partly transparent)

(btw, I did watch it, but straight from the freeserve site smile )

I'm gonna give it 4. Otherwise how will the next one be better? cool

Paul
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I'll just put this link here again, as the above links don't work

http://mysite.freeserve.com/Superteam

hi
thanks paul
the two files should be around 7mins each, i hope you didn't miss any.

The next film is about 40 mins and ( fingers crossed ) should have some of the best fx's ever seen this side of southhall. ( + it should have about 10 people from alamdv in it )
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 5:52am

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I tried to load it and it brings up this crap

0&²uŽfϦÙ

I believe it is the computer language of DLL

Where is the film and why does this happen to me half the time i'm on this site.
Posted: Wed, 12th May 2004, 7:24am

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Sorry Narluin
the 4 stargate episodes that are on fxhome can also be downloaded from
http://www.superteam.biz/callit.htm
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Are you left clicking & trying to watch the film? What you actually need to to is right click & save target as somewhere on your pc. Those weird characters show up if you click a Windows Media file in Netscape (so I guess you're using Netscape as your browser?) for some reason, so do the above next time.
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Ok, I did the save target thing at the suggested web address and it said it was a text file. Thats wierd. But Hey !!! It Worked thanks guys.
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Um... The energy blasts from the staff need to look more dangerous. Not to mention the sound effects for the lasers sound under powered like on Andromeda. The ship effects where no to shabby for what you used but the crash was to soft. Animation Master would have worked better for the 3d. The Star Gate need to open and close almost instantly and the water like ripples from the portal need to go a little faster. The staff weapon wouldn't look so cheap if you painted it Black. Maybe you should have used Black Metalic Spray Paint just like you would for a bike. The thing about cheaply made objects is that sometimes they can be disguised from looking cheap. Usually the guy dialing the star gate says the whole chevron locking stuff. The recordings attatched to each encoding was not necessary. The music sometimes seemed out of place. The music was cool but it has to agree with the emotion of whats going on.

My Suggestions can usually get long and sometimes harsh but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the film I critized. Thumbs Up!
Posted: Sun, 16th May 2004, 12:50pm

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Hi
Bit confused ?
what episode did you watch, ? earthbound don't have the stargate in it.

Please watch the rest of the ( 4 in total ) and you'll see all your comments are addressed in the later episodes, except the broom...

The broom was done for fun, we didn't want to make a direct copy from stargate, we needed our own angle otherwise people wouldn't watch ours they would watch the original.
(Check out the titles on the 4th episode, they are news paper cutting (style) and t'cup's paper says.

Lee Burt arrested with weapon.
in quotes lee says " But it was only a broom"