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We've All Had Nights Like This

Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 12:54pm

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<TABLE width="100%" border="0" cellpadding="3" align="center" cellspacing="0"><tr><td valign="top" rowspan="2"><span class="postbody">That title is more a description than it is a title, but I can't come up with a better title

this is a project that was filmed and edited over the course of 2 days.
A friend of mine asked me to help him make a short video for one of his classes.
the story is his, the editing and effects are mine.

On a side note, there were 3 people total who acted in this movie, and one of them is only in one scene



EDIT!! EDIT!!
the mpeg file listed is no longer available, it's just too big for some people to download, so I compressed an 11 megabyte .WMV version instead. this should download faster than the 50 MB mpeg file, and looks just about as good. Enjoy biggrin

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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 2:15pm

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Hi
not bad, A few tiny pointers if i may.

never ever let the actor walk up to the camera and press pause, ( even worse when you leave it in editing )

I get the idea at the start, ( so i didn't mind the time )
the fx's were very well done, i had to look twice at the helicopter....

sound let it down a bit,
i liked the girl....... coooool

other than that i think you guys are only going to get better, so watch out everyone these guys could get to no.1 with there next film.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 2:22pm

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I loved the girl too! I know I stated in another post that I was going to give this film a 5, but in retrospect there are a few problems (e.g. speech) that take away significantly from the piece. I've settled on a 4 instead: don't kill me! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 5:00am

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not at all moebius!
okay, since I've been getting more and more complaints about the sound, that will probably be the first thing I fix. the only problem is, I went through about 20 different iterations trying to find a decent size to quality ratio, and haven't had much luck. : (

do any of you guys know Cleaner 5 comes stand-alone? I'm using Premiere 6.5 which doesn't come with it like 6.0 did. All 6.5 has is Adobe's Mpeg exporter. . .

b4uask - when did the actor walk up and press pause?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 8:42am

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moebius

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Ice_Man, it sure does! Check out: http://www.discreet.com/products/cleaner/

Beware, it costs a fair bit! The version that came with Premiere (Cleaner EZ) really sucks big time, so I wouldn't recommend using that. If Cleaner is too costly, perhaps you could consider Sorenson Squeeze.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 10:12am

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Awsome Dream - Awsome Movie! wink
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 1:05pm

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That had some great shots. The compressed version made me believe for a split second the helicopter was real. redface

Well, it was enjoyable to watch (apart from the mirror-muscle-flexing at the beginning).

Wow, Anya was fine. Next time you are filming. Get me involved wink

Pass on a message from me. 'Nice!'

I enjoyed it, shame about the sound but you did what other people don't try and do, and thats give a story line to a submission. Well done.

smile 4/5
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 2:48pm

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Rating: +1

I like this, the helicopter looked real and like may other's I had to look twice at what I was seeing. I liked it that much - what prog did you use?

The Story:

The story was as good, the I love myself beggining could have been shortend down - as it was a bit to much confused suprised he didn't have a jazz whilst he was at it confused !

The idea was well thought out, was planned well and got a good result with the end product. But there could have been a little more action all in all. Nice babe too!

The sound:

Was a little muffled and had to strain to hear it at some point's.
Bad idea about the guy's face beining covered over with the face cloth! neutral

The Pointer's:

The idea of making him just say that was a cool dream and end it there!
Why not re-shoot this scene and make him look down under the cover's and go "eeeeerrrrrr! confused " - making out that he had indeed had a wet dream. This would get some lol .

Don't film with object's over a person's face, like cloth, that will muffle sound even more - Unless you dub it into the film later, making it a little clearer, also make it sound slightly muffled when dubbing - this willl make it a lot more clearer, but still get the same effect you are aiming for.

End Score:

4 smile

Rich
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 4:50pm

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moebius - thanks a bunch! I'll have to go buy that now. with all that I'd use it, it would be a very good investment!

er-no - thank you! his muscle flexing did go on a bit didn't it?

rich - I used 3ds max for all my 3d work in every project I do. It's my favorite!

the reason we had a cloth over his face was because it was the same person. we didn't want it obvious that we composited the same actor into a conversation with himself, so we put a bandanna around his face to hide his features. that was really one guy talking to himself! the voice was Ryan speaking behind the camera, which is why it's a little muffled. it sounded good enough to me, considering he's talking behind a bandanna, and the timing was excellent, so we just kept it. If you all had a really hard time understanding it, I'll dub it for the next update. . .
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 11:34pm

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Very amusing and funny! Nice action and gunfire!

biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin out of biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 1:33am

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Man, that was a SWEET explosion.

I liked it. Nice 'cabin' if you know what i mean....both interior and the uh, 'exterior'. cool
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 6:11pm

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Now, that's what I call a good film! Yeh!

Loved a whole lot of everything. So, I'd like to give some feedback.

Pros

Nice bit of realism, standing in front of the mirror and the cutaway angles matched around that were great. Nice filmic touches.

biggrin Great VFX - I too had to look twice at the helicopter. I may have to look at 3DSmax...

Didn't even realise the guard actor had been "doubled". Very cleverly executed! The hat, the hidden tash, etc. clever!

Good switching with the music. Carefully edited.

smile Decent sound - I didn't hear much wrong at all. However that might just be my studio speakers.

Btw, tell the guy who gets shot point-blank in the face, "nice job". Realistic.

Hot chick too! Well executed joke about Anya, too!

Cons

rolleyes Like someone else said, the bit in front of the mirror took ages. To me, it could've been cut down by about 45-50 secs.

When I saw the get into bed bit - it also took a while. It looked like trying to act, "going to bed".
When I go to bed, I shove the covers away, jump in and pull the covers back, quick.

The overdubbed voice from the device he holds up, was VERY quiet. My speakers are set quite loud and I had to move over to the speaker to hear it.

The crack of the guys neck didn't sound off very well. If there was one. Like the above note, could be louder.

Like others said, the muffled guard was a bit annoying. My remedy would be an overdub fairly close to the mic (6-10 inches) and with something over the actors mouth, like the actual bandana. Should work a treat. wink

I was instantly disappointed with the bit where our hero sticks his gun round the wall for the enemy to hit it down. Shame. It looked really staged. Watch a behind the scenes thing on the film "Speed". I remember that being the first film I saw where the actors were trained to not do things like that.

The shot where he drops the backpack - Could cut a second or two from that. Could even have put in a sideways running shot of the hero.

Thought the cabin looked a little fake. 3D'ed...

Notes

wink Personally, I'd add some snow swept up from the helicoptor to give a better impression of it hovering for a second. Maybe an Alam plugin for that?

See the bit when he's looking at the building and goes "hmm.."? Well, why not put in a POV shot with a HUD effect? Just a suggestion.

Very cool film, dude.

Adam.
Posted: Sat, 4th Jan 2003, 12:09am

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This sounds pretty cool. It'll take way over 3 hours for it to download but it sounds great. Could I ask a question "what's it about?" biggrin
Posted: Sat, 4th Jan 2003, 7:20pm

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Rating: +2

Errr Ok. I left it downloading overnight only to find it was only 1 minute 47 seconds long with an abrupt ending. I'm presuming that it cut off too soon.

The worrying thing is though whatever it was started with a bloke getting out of the shower. This is a worrying start to the beginning of any film. Are you sure this film has a helecoptor, people getting shot in the face and a fine woman? Have you played a cunning trick on me, or did you accidentally upload one of your "private selections" films. lol This is getting scary.
Posted: Sat, 4th Jan 2003, 7:25pm

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Two_Gunned saint wrote:

Have you played a cunning trick on me, or did you accidentally upload one of your "private selections" films.
lol lol lol

Priceless!
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 4:39am

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cute, two gunned saint, real cute. . . : )

yes, it really does have guns, chicks, helicopters, and bombs in it.

try this version : it's windows media video with a better compression scheme, quality is lost of course, but it's a faster download

http://www.innovativemartialarts.com/spyvideo.wmv

it's only an 11 meg file download.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 8:43pm

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Ah that's better, Lookin' forward to seein' it.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 8:57pm

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good, I look forward to your critique : )
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 10:39pm

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That was sweet man. Good action set piece.

The editing was a little uninspired during the action but man that was a sweet film.

The structure of it was a little off, just bombing about buildings, didn't feel like a military structure or as if the agent had much of a plan. but man that was a sweet film.

There were quite a few parts when not alot was happening and it seemed as if all the energy was being carried through the music. but man that was a sweet film.

Nice location, costumes, props (save a suspicious looking orange thing).

The guard in the big coat didn't seem physically like he was a great fighter he seemed to pause uncertainly as if he was surprised he'd knocked the agent down so fast. but man that was a sweet film.

I loved the bit when he takes on the two guards, made him look like a pro. There was a bit of a jump in the cut, but man that was a sweet film.

The effects where good but I don't really bother looking at them too much anyhow. Either way... man that was a sweet film.

Pretty much everything that could be said has been said already by someone else. (Or again and again by me)

Thought that over a minute of man in bathroom and only a few seconds of lovely lady was abit of an injustice though.

I think I speak for all of us when I say..... man that was a sweet film.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 10:59pm

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man, that was a sweet critique!
heh-heh, thanks man, it's always good to find out someone enjoys your work.

the orange thing on his arm was a strobe flasher for late-night runners or bikers. it actually was strobing, but it just happened to flash in-between frames, so you never saw it blink!

the guard in the big coat is actually an excellent fighter, but we just didn't have time to choreograph anything special. all of that was adlibed on the spot.

yeah, it was pretty much just about explosions, guns and hot chicks. I'm re-editing now to get a bit quicker pace with a little less bathroom action. I'll post a notice when it's uploaded

Thanks for watchin'!
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 6:32pm

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I don't believe I just read the phrase "bathroom action". Can't wait to see it, hope I didn't offend the guard in the big coat. hehe.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 8:54pm

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yeah, it's kind of wierd now that I think about it. 'bathroom action'. hmmm.

the guard in the big coat is disappointed with his performance, too. He wants to re-shoot. I don't think we will, though.
Posted: Wed, 8th Jan 2003, 5:05pm

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not too good not too bad
Pros
1. Cool idea
2. Good helecopter
3. Good editing
4. Good acting
5. Nice music

Cons
1. Not too great cg, see when the house explodes its chunks are sliding on the ground and disappear, that dosnt happen in real life lol
2. When the agent broke the guards neck a wierd pop sound used to come.
3. Heh the spiderman type, muscle thing was cool, but the rest was a delay.

Overall 3 stars from me, dont take this the wrong way sad
Posted: Wed, 8th Jan 2003, 6:47pm

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oh, not at all. I appreciate it!

if you read some of the posts here, and also some on the "While we eagerly await malones return" thread, I've said that I'm redoing the whole building explosion scene, what you saw was a first run version because of time constraints. I'd love for you to watch the new one when I get it done and tell me what you think.

I'm glad that you like helicopter, I've changed the lighting on it, and added some snow kicked up by the spinning rotors.


Right now I'm uploading a new version with some cg enhancements, a few cuts (mostly from the bathroom scene) and a new soundtrack.

should be done in about a half hour for your very much viewing pleasure. : )
Posted: Thu, 16th Jan 2003, 11:55pm

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this movie kicks ass! keep up the sweet werk cool
Posted: Fri, 17th Jan 2003, 12:06am

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I still haven't received that ladies number yet!

Whats up with that?
Posted: Fri, 17th Jan 2003, 4:59am

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he-he.

cute. I don't recall you asking : )
Posted: Wed, 22nd Jan 2003, 8:59pm

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Great film. Very well done.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Jan 2003, 1:23am

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Hey Iceman.

Will you be posting your new edit here at Alam or will you just put a link in this thread? Looking forward to it!

Adam.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Jan 2003, 1:42am

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Hey! I'd thought people had forgotten about this thread!

adam - I'll post a new link here, when I get the next version to an uploadable stage, I'll probably post a new topic in the forums, as well

and don't worry, I promise it won't be another 50 megabyte mpeg file smile
Posted: Thu, 23rd Jan 2003, 3:40am

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Hey, Ice, are you in this movie at all? are you one of the guards (or both of them, i should say...).

Let's see that new edit!
Posted: Sun, 2nd Feb 2003, 5:55am

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sorry, sidewinder, other projects are taking precedence over this one, now. it's probably going to be a little bit before I can upload the final edit. . .


on a side note :

ATTENTION!!
starting February 2nd, the 50 megabyte mpeg will no longer be available for download, in it's place, I have uploaded an 11 megabyte .WMV file. it can be downloaded here:
http://www.innovativemartialarts.com/spyvideo.wmv

I repeat, the mpeg is gone! download the windows media video file instead
Posted: Sun, 2nd Feb 2003, 5:59am

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I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. . .biggrin