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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 1:21pm

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nivlak

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Rating: +7

A light saber fight sequence with the flavor of a Hong Kong martial arts action movie. This short is set in a dense forest, where a young man, willing to leave his loved ones behind to help fight in the Revolution, clashes with an enemy in a battle where only one will remain standing. Music by Denez Prigent and a monologue extracted from an authentic Civil War love letter written in 1861, help to set the tone for this movie.

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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 2:21pm

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PalmTreeLTD

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I saw this movie on TheForce.Net/theater and i thought it was so kool. i saw the other one too and it was amazing. yeah only one thing the music didn't really fit but other than that it was really good. i love the sabers spinning around each other heheheh. ok that's all

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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 2:30pm

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Pretty slick moves! As far as saber fights go, this is one of the best I've seen so far. smile
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 3:12pm

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I was wondering when the Ho brothers were going to get this thing posted over here since it's one of the best lightsaber movies ever done with ALAM. By far and away the best saber sequence on this site- love the martial arts influence. I'm just not sure I totally bought into the whole "Matrix meets Star Wars meets Crouching Tiger" theme, but I guess it's harder for me to remove the "standards" for costuming from the official Star Wars world. (Jedi wearing sunglasses-huh?) That being said, if I just try and forget "Star Wars" and that it's another Sith vs Jedi battle in a forest with no real story, then I can really appreciate the effort that went into this very complicated sequence and enjoy it for the excellent saber fighting spectacle that it is. The music worked for me- at least it wasn't Duel of the Fates. Would have been nice to see some damage show up on the jedi as he was gutted like a pig- instead it just looked like the Sith's sabers clashed together in front of the jedi. I gave it a 5 because it was very well done and despite my nit-piks (which are really nit-piks) I thoroughly enjoyed it and didn't find alot of technical issues with it. (cept for the saber not turning off when the jedi dropped it at the end) Great work! Now, when is AOTS3 coming out?
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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 3:55pm

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eek HO smile HO biggrin HO 2 THUMBS UP, 2 SNAPS UP IN A CIRCLE AND ON SCALE OF 1 TO 5 I GIVE IT A 9
AWESOME !!!!
Only could you compress it next time even with my DSL I was tired of waiting no one with dial up is likely to have the patience, at least I wouldn't.
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 4:50pm

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A very cool, choreographed lightsaber fight.

a few things:

Glow was a little too prominent for being outside...

Also, when you spin the lightsabers, they have flat ends, which is a sign hat you used alamdv. spinning lightsabers have round ends.

there's also that one spot where the saber touches the grass, and nothing happens...

Other than that, this is the best saber fight here!
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 6:16pm

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I could totally bring you down by giving this movie a zero. But it deserves a five. So that is what I gave it. I don't feel good right now, so I'm not going to list what is good or bad. Great clip. Loved it.







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Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 7:54pm

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wow eek this lightsaber duel is better than all the duel in the first 3 Star Wars

5 stars biggrin
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 8:30pm

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I am glad you took my advise and finnaly put your movie here! I loved it! It is only the 5th or 6th time I have seen it.

(BTW this is the guy that told me about alam!)
Posted: Wed, 1st Jan 2003, 10:31pm

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A very well choreographed and well edited fight. A little colorgrading could have done wonders, but it flows pretty well.
The "irvi" score went very well with the battle...

I would give it 4,5.
5 for the battle and 4 for how it was filmed (this is a filmsite after all), but as this isn't possible I'll give it a 5... smile
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 12:05am

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Just when I thought I've seen the best, something comes out to top it. Fantastic choreography! And you said that you are not filmmakers! I beg to differ. Outside of the fight, I thought it showed alot of creative skills to set a mood for the film. This could have been just another good sabre movie, but you kicked up a notch by adding the narrative, and with the melancholy music. This is good filmmaking. Keep up the good work!
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 12:08am

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Wow that was good. I like how you tied in the Civil War letter in. It really shows the desperation in the battle between the Sith and the Jedi and its similarities to the Civil War. I have a technical question though how did you do that low pitched lightsaber swing right at the beggining? It sounded really really cool. 5
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 1:06am

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That was amazing! I have never seen such well done choreography. Luckily the film that I'm working on is a comedy, so I can get away with crappy choreography, but it still makes me sad to look at mine. Repeating what lots of people have said, I loved how you set the tone with that music. it isn't what you typically think of when you think of a saber battle. Yes, as was also said, you ARE film makers, and you did an incredible job. You are getting a well deserved 5.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 1:19am

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How was AlamDV used in this though?

I haven't watched it yet as its still downloading but you aren't a Gold Member... just wondering.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 2:07am

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That was great! biggrin I gave it a five-(Duh!) cool That was great choreography and Martial Arts stuff. The only part that I think could use work is the end. The Jedi (Or was it the sith?) could have died more cineamaticly or somthing. It's just too hard to really see what he did.
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 5:04am

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er-no, I think he downloaded Alamdv2 here : http://www.csb-digital.com/alamdv/downloads/index.php

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Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 5:36am

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Yes Bob of course he did but that is a DEMO version unless you have a key to unlock it. Do you have someway of using AlamDV2 and saving your movies without buying it?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 6:23am

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Hey

AlamDV1 - they could have that and use the lightswords from it.

Im not a gold member, but made a movie...."movie-maker", alamdv1.....

Seems the hardcore stunt films are beating out the fx films.....interesting.... lol


Speaking of movies I've got a new one im in the process of doing.
Script, storyboards are done. A WHOLE crap load of little tests and screwing around to make sure i can get it all done.

Entitled "Gateway"

Involves a ton of 3D work compsited in with footage, And vice verse, Actors comped into 3d world.
A coupld of fights with cg robots, and cg armies.

Shooting will happen this week, done by the weekend.
Movie should be complete by end of January

-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 9:58am

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really awsome, those lightsabers was the best made with alamdv. havent seen that quality before !!
Everything was great, cant complain of anything! 5+
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 3:47pm

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This was great to watch, the whole dual is one of the best I have seen (This year - as we have only just started - But is a benchmark for people to aim for) for a long time (far, far away.... lol ).

The Story:

Has a great substance behind it, the opening voice over is a monologue extracted from an authentic Civil War love letter written in 1861, help to set the tone for this movie (was no under statement in the header) and really did set the tone for the film - was impressed.

Apart from that there is no other side to the story.

The sound:

The sound was great, the music helped set the mood of the whole thing.

Star War's SFX and can't say much more than that! neutral


The Pointer's:

Pointer's - I am lost for pointer's, this film was well above the benchmark that has been laid down before in the past, now people have got to get to that bench mark and also try to set a new benchmark at the same time.

This is going to be intresting.


End Score:

5

It can not be said- that it does not deserve it! biggrin

Rich
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 3:51pm

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Spike

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Question:

How did you get your film posted on here without being a gold member?

Also without the so called watermark??? neutral

Let me know?
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 7:51pm

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Magic_man12

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Im guessing an old copy of ALAMDV1


-MAGIC
Posted: Thu, 2nd Jan 2003, 9:21pm

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Had a cinematic flavor about it that I liked. As others have said, the civil war letter was a real nice touch. Nothing left to say about the amazing stuntwork. Excellant job!
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 1:17am

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That fight was better than all of the fighting in phantom menace, COMBINED.

That being said, i had a problem...WHY LIGHTSABRES??? It would have been SOO much better with swords, or even sticks. That probably would have brought it up to a 5 from me.

The reason is those bits where you stuck the red one into the ground, it stayed, rather than just burning right through, and other bits where the blade hit the ground.

Other than that, great!

I especially like the framing and camera overall. I think colorgrading would have made it slightly worse. But then again, i personally love sunlight+lots of green+cool stuff. (watch redfruit, and ull see i do biggrin)

oh, and i knew where the music was from instantly. Hans Zimmer is a great composer, and the guy who does additional music for him has really impressed me. If you like hans zimmer, check out Jim Dooley.

Worthy of the top 10, can't wait to see your next stuff. biggrin
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 12:03pm

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i can't get the movie working.
quicktime says that the file isnt quicktime supported??
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 12:37pm

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i can't get it working either cry

a picture of a broken quicktime thing shows up.....

any other links to it anywhere, i really want to see this.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 1:25pm

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I concur with most of what everyone is saying...

i don't really care about the story because theres only so much story that can be fitted into a movie which is deliberately a martial arts and CG expose.

Consequently, i have to say that the extract at the beginning is just pointless. The film's interest is blatantly the action, which i have to say is most impressive i've ever seen in this cinema although closely rivalled by Adrenaline; So why bother with trying to pretend you made it for any other reason? razz my advise...ditch the pretentious crap and just make it solid ass-kicking from start to finish!

Bloody impressive martial arts and fight scene tho. The dude doing all the swingy stuff round the neck crap clearly knows his stuff!

Wish more people would submit movies of this quality...both in showmanship, and in compression.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 1:28pm

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i hope i'm the first 56k user to dld it
Cool moves i wish i could do those stunts lol
4 from me biggrin
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 4:25pm

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I agree entirely with Xcession...

Most impressive fightwork I've seen on here. Adrenaline has some more impressive stunts, but they're both about equal in terms of overall impact. Both seriously raised the quality bar.

This was also very competently shot.

Would have got a 5 from me if it weren't for the rather unnecessary pretentious stuff. Excellent otherwise though.
Posted: Fri, 3rd Jan 2003, 8:04pm

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What's pretentious? The civil war letter part? If so, so what?! I think it's fantastic. Without it, I'd have to call it just another "Adrenaline" movie that's showing off. But with the letter, it gains more from people like myself.

You have to understand why it was put in. I certainly wouldn't question any filmmakers use of that and to be honest something like that shouldn't be questioned. lol

Adam.
Posted: Sat, 4th Jan 2003, 11:52pm

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I didn't find it pretentious in the slightest. It was great yes, but pretentious, no.

One of the best, I've ever seen. It's easy to forget it's an amateur film. Just like a scene from "Black Mask".

I know it's a racist thing to say but the chinese people just look cooler than white guys like myself. Especially in black with dark glasses. lol (For the best example of this theory see Chow Yun-Fat)

The fight choreography, editing, cinematography, the music (it's refreshing to hear stuff other than load blaring stuff over a fight scene.) all excellent. No plot, no character developement, just a martial arts do with light sabres, yet somehow deeper and more meaningful than any other film I've seen on alamdv.

I bet the makers are big Hong Kong martial arts film fans. (Hollywood seems to find it very hard to produce good martial arts fight scenes) I'm a Heroic Bloodshed fan myself, but I do love a good ol' Wushu punch up.

I wish there was some tips I could give on how to improve. I still haven't thought of anything.

Next time though I'd enjoy those skills brought into a gunplay surrounding. Or with more traditional martial arts skills. Not being a fan of sci-fi or lightsabers. Still that doesn't affect the rating, a cool 5.
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 12:19pm

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okok, so pretentious was the wrong word.....'redundant' perhaps.

The entire movie was fighting...without even any talking mid-fight to move the plot along. I use "plot" in the losest of ways, since there was none. Or perhaps that was the point...there was no plot, so the letter was tacked onto the front.

"Tacked on" pretty much sums it up.

You are getting me totally wrong...i LOVE the film...but i love it for what it would appear to REALLY be there for - the superbly choreographed fighting.

The letter, which refers to a conflictingly normally named female "Sarah", is written in a style completely removed from the modernity of the fighting, the weaponry and the clothing.

I know what the makers are TRYING to do....to inflict that pained and concerned, chivalrous "all for one" feeling created perfectly by the genre of films like Last of the Mohicans, and Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. But without any further dialogue after the fight (which by the time it has ended, has completely eclipsed the pointless letter), the begining dialogue is pretty pointless becuase by this point its evident that the movie is a martial arts and CG wet-dream! - and rightly so, its amazing!

I REALLY love the movie, but the artsy fartsy bit at the beginning sticks out like a sore thumb to me, its just unecessary i'm afraid.
The filmakers have quite clearly shown they are masters of their arts...both martial and cinematographical, they don't need to prove anything else.

Two_Gunned saint: i guarantee, if you keep the movie exactly how it is, yet remove the sound track where the letter is read - keeping the music - it would be just as "deep and meaningful".

Adam: never underestimate the impact of a soundtrack. That eastern chant-like music is far more infectious than the letter. With the letter removed and the camera pans kept, the music and tempered camera movement conveys almost exactly the same things.

I wish more of the alamdv movies were done like this only without the bit at the beginning....people should take a well choreographed fight scene with an emotive sound-track as an entry level requirement for the cinema section.

Don't try to hard, thats my advise...this movie is perfect! I'm deliberately being pedantic about the letter bit. The forum is for constructive criticism, so with that in mind i'm deliberately nit-picking about the letter. Frankly i don't give a damn because like i said before, the fighting completely eclipses the letter and by the time the fight is over i've forgotten how labored the letter seemed!

The point is - if anything of worth is to be gleened from this post - never be afraid to make a full-on epic of even the shortest clip....just don't go so far that parts of it are pointless or irritating.
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 10:02pm

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One thing I noticed that no one has mentioned yet (for the most people not many people realize this) but next time watch your negative space. If you watch conversations in movies or TV, they never place the character that's speaking in the center of the picture. (This is at the beginning of your film). They always place them to the right, or left. The reason is because if you put them in the center, there is negative space on the left and right, creating a look that can only be described as 'just a tad off'. For those who know about this technique, it drives them crazy to see it not used because it is quite distracting to the eye. If you can learn this, then it'll add a whole new demension to your films as far as the 'professional' look goes.
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 10:15pm

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It's called basic composition of thirds.The first thing u learn when starting to look through viewfinders.

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Rating: +2

Actually, flip, that's not entirely correct.

A person framed to the left and right creates just as much 'negative space'.

However, positioning within the frame (known as mise-en-scene) is important when shooting conversations, or any kind of interaction between two or more people/objects.

The most important thing during such scenes is for the viewer to know exactly where everybody is in relative space to each other. This has a lot to do with their positioning and their eyeline.

It all comes down to continuity editing, and the shot/reverse-shot technique.

If you shoot Bob with him occupying the left half of the frame, then you probably want him looking off behind and to the right of the camera's POV.

When you cut to Frank, he needs to be in the right half of the frame, looking off behind and to the left of the camera's POV.

Once the shots are edited together, it will be perfectly clear that they are looking and talking to each other. The viewer takes in this information and processes it without ever thinking about it, or even being consciously aware of what they are doing.

This is known as the 180 degree rule. Essentially, when dealing with two subjects, you should draw an imaginary line between them. You should never cross the line whilst filming.

There are exceptions to this, of course, and obviously there are artistic reasons why you might deliberately break the 180 rule sometimes.

Would there be any interest in me putting together a few tutorials on general filmmaking techniques sometime?
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 10:36pm

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Hi Tarn.......A tut would benefit a lot of us I suspect.

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Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 11:27pm

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Well, you basically took what I said and created a better and more explained version of it. Sure, it creates the same amount of 'negative' space, any body with decent math skills knows that ( wink ) but it creates 'good' negative space. And you can't use the technique and film Billy talking to Susan, with both on the left side of the frame looking right, that wouldn't flow well. I'm doing a piece based on Alice in Wonderland for school, and the scene is the Teaparty, made almost entirely dialouge, so I suppose I could do a tutorial if the general consensus is that we need one.
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The real trick, of course, is when you get more than 2 things interacting with each other. A rectangular table with 8 people seated around it, for example.
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Yeah, thats what I had to work with. I mixed alot of multiple person interactions, focusing on 2 people at a time with the method described above. Or going from table corner to table corner to show interaction between say, people on seperate ends of the side of the table (thats a mouthful crazy ). A tutorial put together by either you or me would benefit many I would think.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 1:33pm

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hi it's zaz

wow, the year is beginning at a very very very high level !

nothing to say, except i gave it a 5, which means 10.

really great job

zaz
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 2:39pm

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I have to say, it got me...the music, the love letter...the mood... cry Very well done! You have got a five from me.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 9:00pm

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I agree there is no "real" point in the letter it just gives it a touch of class.

I would have thought that nearly all people would have known about how to frame a shot, it's very important. For those of you who don't know how you should learn, it's helpful. (The worst is when you entrust the camera to someone else who is working on your film and they haven't a clue about the "looking distance/talking distance/walking distance", when you watch the rushes everything's so badly framed 'cos you let your mate use it. It's your fault for not explaining it properly but you're still pissed off 'cos they ruined the scene.) biggrin Pretty much every thing there is to know about framing's been said. Learn it and get everyone else who's working with you to learn it as well.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 9:48pm

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Hello All,
Thanks for the kind words about the movie. We really enjoy hearing what everyone thinks, good or bad. Its always the input from the unbias public that help us see things and consider things we may not have thought about otherwise.

As for the discussion on proper filming, a tuturial would be awesome. When we first filmed our proof-of-concept for this short piece, we didnt know anything about filming a movie and it really showed. For those of you interested in seeing what we started with, check out:

http://download.theforce.net/theater/aos/aos.mov

After that was released, we got numerous constructive suggestions on filming techniques, that helped us refine our project to what you see posted on alamdv.

Thanks again
Posted: Thu, 9th Jan 2003, 11:11pm

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After Duality came out two years ago I never thought I would be impressed by another 'duel' movie and by and large I haven't been by the majority that have come since. However, AotS is an excellent piece of work and the makers deserve all the plaudits awarded to them.

It is fast and flowing and shows a surprising degree of camera work from a team who confess that they are not students of the art. A lot of it may be imitative of other films but it just flows with such a vibrancy that you don't really notice.

Both the music (from two excellent soundtracks and well worth getting) and utilising the letter are interesting choices and work better when you see it rather than just read it (I had my doubts before sitting down and watching).

My only critiscisms (and thus not quite earning a 5) would be in the costuming department and the fact that this type of film isn't overly new (from Duel to Duality to The Last Warrior to etc.) but it did present it in a new and interesting light which was refreshing to watch.
Posted: Sun, 19th Jan 2003, 6:22pm

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super movie! very very good fight and good effects: what is the plugin using for the clashes?
Posted: Thu, 23rd Jan 2003, 3:16pm

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For those of you having trouble with this film, you'll be pleased to hear that the link has been fixed and the download should be working fine again.

Thanks to nivlak for letting us know about that one.
Posted: Fri, 7th Feb 2003, 10:47pm

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Many of use inspire to make good quality things like this film here, what can i say, everything just clicked. The music, the style, the combat, the camera shots, were just amazing. This is a film that i qouls certainly put under insperational to amature film makers. This is the type of film that just take your breath away, and they have done such a great job of catching the moment. I my self, is inspiring to become a film maker, and of the fan Star wars series and films like these just makes you wanna make the film more and more. I was so captured by the camera work, the way it was able to flow between each fighter was amazing. The only thing i would be negative about would be the Lightsabers, as the colour of them was a little to harsh, but then again saying that im only really trying to find fault with the film ITS NOT A BIG PROBLEM TRUST ME!!!!!!

PLease if there is any film fans out there, who really like films of cult status then please check this out ..... peace be with all .....
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:37am

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lskproductions1

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Hey you guys are crazy. May I add one negative comment. Make your own stuff up because we all know that is from Black Hawk Down trailer. Im not speaking bad about the movie just the sound and all. Hey i got a crazy idea. Next movie... SCREW LIGHTSABER!!!! it is tooo ehhh GO WITH SWARDS. Be like all in suits and shit and fucking sword fight. That would be some crazy wicked shizzznit!!! but ya i gave yoou a 5.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 4:37pm

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lskproductions1 wrote:

Hey you guys are crazy. May I add one negative comment. Make your own stuff up because we all know that is from Black Hawk Down trailer. Im not speaking bad about the movie just the sound and all. Hey i got a crazy idea. Next movie... SCREW LIGHTSABER!!!! it is tooo ehhh GO WITH SWARDS. Be like all in suits and poo and fudging sword fight. That would be some crazy wicked shizzznit!!! but ya i gave yoou a 5.
You crazy crazy person.

You're right though. This film is almost identical to the black hawk down trailer.

What with black hawk down having that fight sequence with the light sabers and stuff. Christ, how did I not see the similarities...
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 12:35am

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lskproductions1

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i dont mean with guns and stuff im saying the same exact music with the voice of someone reading the letter.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 10:24pm

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DW Peters

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Entertaining clip good action sequences and film technique.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 10:25pm

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I was just wondering if anyone new what the song title and artist of the song used at the beginning of the film and throughout the fight scene. Plus I give it a 5
Posted: Mon, 17th Feb 2003, 2:39pm

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nivlak

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I wrongly credit the song for the movie to Hans Zimmer at the end of the film. The song was really written and performed by Denez Prigent ( with Lisa Gerrard) and its called "Gortoz a Ran".

Thanks for the vote biggrin
Posted: Fri, 28th Feb 2003, 3:23pm

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CurtinParloe

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4 stars

You can't argue with choreography like that (you'd get hurt wink )

The letter didn't make much difference to me, but it was confusing...

"Evil Jedi have feelings too" (happy ending)
or
"Even good Jedi have red sabers" (sad ending)
?

Paul
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 4:30pm

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tard tard tard tard tard hmm i can't watch mov files thats bad if you do this for mpg its more better for me tard tard tard tard
tard biggrin smile sad eek confused cool lol mad razz cry redface evil rolleyes wink unsure tard oink neutral twisted crazy
Posted: Tue, 18th Mar 2003, 8:39am

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Simply amazing...

The choreography and filming were excellent. The dramatic pauses, music, and reading all added very much. However, there are some issues.

Firstly, some of the choreography seemed a bit too obvious for my tastes. Generally, such things are overcome by speed so such things are noticeable. In some areas, fighting slowed down a bit (I'm talking actual movement rate, not pace), which made the choreography a bit more obvious. However, all around, the fighting was very fast. In fact, in some areas, it was a bit faster than what I'm used to (I'm really into movies with great fighting sequences, mostly Jackie Chan though…haven't seen many good weapon-based fighting sequences--excluding this one!), which of course is a good thing. I liked the blade spinning bits, though they were almost overused.

As for the filming...Well, I think I should start by saying that I do not know very much about filming or film technique. There is a program for study in that area at my high school, but I decided against taking it (students taking said program have to film all kinds of stupid crap like speeches, football games, etc.). However, I did notice a few things that bothered me a little. For example, many times, bits of the combatants would go out of the picture during the dramatic pauses. As for the combat...well, same thing happened there but very rarely. All around, the actual combat filming was fantastic.

Now for the costumes...Blah. I understand that people can't just go out and get costumes for stuff any time they please. I also understand that it's hard to think up costumes for stuff. So, I don't think I'm not saying anything too bad when I say the costumes weren't really that great. That's simply to be expected when one does not have sufficient access to this sort of thing (and who really does anyway?). Of course, the costumes didn't detract from the short. Cloaks might have accented all the spinning and leg movement, but those are hard to do properly (especially when you have to sew them yourself...).

All in all, I'd give it a 4. It is certainly not perfect, but it is obviously a great film. I look forward to future productions.
Posted: Tue, 18th Mar 2003, 9:03am

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Mellifluous

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Cool. I like Denez Prigent, I've got an album called Me Zalch Ennon Ur Fulenn Aour which is in Bretagne dialect. Can you tell me recent albums he's produced? I live in UK, not France, so that's why I'm asking.

I liked the film, I gave it 4. razz

Cheers, Mel.
Posted: Tue, 18th Mar 2003, 9:32pm

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WOW, Unfreaknbelievable!
Posted: Sat, 22nd Mar 2003, 5:57am

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w2jedi

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Good stuff. I enjoyed it. Especially the martial arts style saber fighting. I wish Lucas' stuff was this cool (the fighting on Episode I looks more like ballet than combat moves.)
Posted: Thu, 27th Mar 2003, 8:02pm

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One word... 'Breathtaking'
Posted: Sun, 30th Mar 2003, 3:07pm

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Far too big for the running time. sad
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 1:01pm

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eek I am gob smacked at this movie! I have AlamDV 2 too! Also planning on doing A light saber fight, but I KNOW it won't be as good as this! eek eek eek eek eek eek
Posted: Sat, 19th Apr 2003, 4:23am

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Hitokiri Barious

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eek Wow..... that is one of the most kickass movies I have ever seen....... anywhere! The choreagraphy was right on and the light sabers were very well done. I love the speech at the being as well. It gives depth to the film and adds character to the man who dies. You know, if you wonted to you could make a prolog to this film and build on the events that lead up to that moment(just a suggestion wink ) For my closing remark... Kickass, KICKASS, KIIIIICCCKKKAAAASSSSS!!!!
Posted: Sun, 20th Apr 2003, 2:06am

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ok, first off, NICE MOVIE! I thought it rulz and dont care what anyone says cause its the shiznit! One MAJOR problem I found with this was the sound effects. I can tell you this now, and you can deny it, but you ripped them right from STAR WARS JEDI KNIGHT 2 JEDI OUTCAST!!! dont bother to reply either, i aint comin back!

ps: when you have the double bladed sabre picked up using the force, you used the sounds of picking up a flechette and a forcefield. unsure
Posted: Mon, 21st Apr 2003, 1:29am

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nivlak

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Hello all,
Im glad you guys seemed to have enjoyed our movie. Thanks for the nice words. As far as the sound effects go, we took a bunch from the game and some straight for Episode 1. Heh, why would deny that? WHere else would we get saber sounds smile

Thanks again
CH
Posted: Sun, 27th Apr 2003, 1:32pm

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Sorry to say this you ppl, but this movie stays number 1 on my top 10 movie list! lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
Posted: Tue, 29th Apr 2003, 7:34pm

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make a sequel or something or like a prologe it.
And please reply to this since i cant find any replys to if your acctually going to make a sequel
Posted: Thu, 1st May 2003, 2:33am

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nivlak

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well ive story boarded a sequel to the movie. Its about Sarah, the guys wife getting revenge. Ive storyboarded the movie. Now to get filming ....
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 12:43pm

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Hi there all... I am here to say that I have also made A light saber movie (some of you might of seen it) It is called Starwars sith formers at school... And also I cannot get over this blummin movie!
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 10:49pm

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Regina Holdren

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I LOVED this movie! The choreography, the camera work, the opening letter . . . all perfect. I've just added a clip, "The Ultimate Saber: A Proof-of-Concept", and I wish I could say that my choreography was as good as yours. I also wish I knew more about compressing a movie. Any advice? Anyway, 5 stars from me!
Posted: Mon, 5th May 2003, 5:01pm

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This is the best movie I've seen on the site by a long shot!

Congratulations!
Posted: Sun, 11th May 2003, 1:21am

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Awesome flick...please produce more

Regards

L5
Posted: Fri, 16th May 2003, 3:49pm

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ZergDestroyer

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Omg. that was one of the best movies that i've seen on this site!! would have given it 10 stars if i could. The effects are more than i had deemed possibble for this program and riveled the actual starwars in its greatness. excelent job!!
Posted: Wed, 28th May 2003, 11:48pm

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WOW, THIS FILM IS GREAT, FAR BETTER THAN THE OTHERS, WHY ISNT IT NUMBER 1????
ANYWAYS, THE SWORD WORK WAS GREAT AND SO WERE YOUR CHOICE OFF EFFECTS AND MUSIC, A VERY WELL PUT TOGETHER FILM, THE TITLE SAYS IT ALL, AND I THINK EVERY ONE WILL ENJOY A SECOND EPISODE,

WELL DONE,
NODACHI
Posted: Fri, 30th May 2003, 3:28pm

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Fantastic film, Nivlak. I just jumped onboard the AlamDV bus and this kinda stuff is quite inspiring. One question, though. You mention that the soundtrack is a piece by Hans Zimmer, and I was just curious about the exact name of the piece. Any info?

Congrats, fantastic film,
Roger
"WilliamSkeletor"
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 12:51am

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Gortoz A Ran - J'attends - Hans Zimmer
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 1:02am

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BTW, the movie was great. To be honest when i watched this movie months ago, it was the #1 reason for me getting this program. The choreography was def. big screen material. You need to get that stuff to Lucas ha. I love when somebody sets a standard because it gives you something to work for. I'm gonna try to compete this summer with that film.. haha like i said.. im gonna try ha. Anyways, PUT ANOTHER FILM ON THIS SITE QUICKLY!!! im sick of waiting for the sequal haha, if ya need actors, call me, i'd make the road trip.
Awesome video guys.
~ Chris

btw: we've talked over the internet, im the guy who is friends w/ A.J. and u've seen some of our stuff. ha biggrin
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 12:19am

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Oh man, that is the best saber fight I have seen on this site.
You had awesome camera angles and camera work.
Your movement in the fight was great, and the expressions were really good too! I loved it!
Great job!
Hats off to you!

Superman.o2-o3
Posted: Mon, 30th Jun 2003, 5:51pm

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Hey... often viewer, first time post. lol.

Okay... few things, first off... LOVED this video. It's really sad when I find a 3rd party light-sabre battle more interesting than 95% of the battles that're actually IN Star Wars, but such is the case with this fight. It's absolutely awesome.

Loved the scenery... wherever your location for this happened to be, was a perfect setting.

...k... now a negative... I didn't like the letter/ V.O. I suppose the main reason for this is just that I'm such a stickler for all the niggly details of Star Wars... and unless our good (?) guy is breaking some massive rules... he wouldn't even be in a position to where he would need, much less want, to write anything like that to anyone. I dunno... minor thing, but I'm a nit-picking annoying lil' bugger.

All in all, WOW... please please please make another one so my jaw can bust on the floor again.
Posted: Mon, 30th Jun 2003, 5:53pm

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Oh yeah... and one more thing... how's that sequel coming!?!?!?
Posted: Mon, 30th Jun 2003, 7:04pm

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Ersjo Fett

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eek whoa.
this is the coolest, the most fast-paced lightsaber fight i've ever seen. this is MUCH better than the fights in star wars (pretty much equal to, if not better than, duel of the fates). i especially liked how you didn't have some fast-paced music to go along with it. the slow, almost sad music fit the movie perfectly

i bow to your superior fight-choreography.

VERY nice fight
Posted: Sat, 12th Jul 2003, 2:11am

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Great camera work, shot selection and editing. The whole fight scene was paced very well and the choreography was amazing! Anyone who has tried to film a fight scene knows it’s not as easy as it looks.

I hope to see more work from you guys…
Posted: Tue, 15th Jul 2003, 5:58pm

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Madmanmatty

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Ive loved this movie when it first came out, but this is my first post on it.
Truly a great peace of work guys, I know that if its taking you this long to make the second you must be putting a lot of work into it wich is good.
Anyway please check out my new trailer called Macbeth 3000, I kind of got screwed on how long it was posted up on the Recent Additions but I think youll find its the best dam trailer out there.

keep up the good work nivlak.
Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2003, 9:20pm

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If you look at this garbage from a filmmaking point of view (something that not many people do on this site, obviously) you will see that there was little-to-know skill involved what so ever. All it is, is two youths who happen to be good with swords/martial arts, and someone who can put a camera on a tripod and push the big reddy. There were hardly any dramatical, narrative, or pictorial considerations made, and there was no attempt at intriguing cinematics. The cinematography was also less-than-par. So I say, get a director who can actually execute a production well, then come back.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2003, 11:20pm

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Madmanmatty

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FOW, seriously are you jokeing? What have you brought to the AlamDV table? Have you ever filmed a movie before? Do you know how hard it is to plan a fight sequence like that?

I'm looking forward to seeing your better movie than this.
Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2003, 4:11pm

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CurtinParloe

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I showed it to my work colleagues last week and they all thought it was the bees knees.


Faceless Ordinary Whiner, I notice you're too scared to actually register your name, so I will be brief.

Cinematography: Above par. The action line was never broken, the panning shots were effective, and the framing was superb.

Narrative: Come on! What are you talking about! A short film about two guys having a fight. The narrative fills that function more than adequately.

Choreography: In case you missed it, there happened to be some choreography in this film. And damn fine it was too.

So I say, become a director who can actually execute a production at all, then come back.

Paul

ps sorry everyone else, but witless, cowardly attacks like this one really get my dander up!
Posted: Mon, 28th Jul 2003, 7:18pm

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I dont think they give oscars for being a dumbazz, so i doubt you'll be winning one f.o.w...
Posted: Wed, 30th Jul 2003, 10:15pm

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anonymous

This movie ROCKS! cool i love it. it's nothing fancy but it's not supposed to be though. i give this 5 ***** Cool! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 5th Aug 2003, 4:05am

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I believe that it is truly a work of art! Your choreographed sequences were among some the best I've seen in shorts of this nature. I have to say it was well composed and executed.
Posted: Thu, 14th Aug 2003, 12:22pm

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This is a VERY well made short. I love the editing and the forest back drop. The choreography was one of the best I've seen for saber duels since the short film Duality. The soundtrack and the reading of the letter gives this movie a sense of depth, it even made me go out and buy the soundtrack to Black Hawk Down. Also was the reason I found out about Alamdv in the first place. I think that the only problem I had with it other than the guy not being cut in half(which I'm sure would have been hard to do if you don't know how) Is the lightsabers. I think that it would have been just as good with martial arts swords but in trying to not actually die I can see why you went with the sabers. This is definately one of my favorties since Duality on the net. Keep it up! biggrin
Posted: Tue, 19th Aug 2003, 1:05am

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SWEATPANTS

please confirm this for me: the guy with the purple/pink lightsaber is in fact wearing a full uniform and he is not wearing sweatpants. my friend is arguing with about this stupid thing
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2003, 3:02am

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heh....actually we were both wearing sweat pants. I (Sith) was wearing a sweatshirt as well which hid them a bit better. Plus my brothers were old a gray and he tucked his shirt in. Bad idea... oh well. Yes, i know..... we could have put more effort into the costume dept smile

Anyway, thanks everyone for all the nice comments about our little short movie.
Posted: Thu, 21st Aug 2003, 3:31am

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actually, one thing i have been meant to ask you guys for ages. Will there be anymore in the works for a movie that you will show? i would love to see some more stuff of yours. as we can see. you can really do fight scenes to a high level. will you be doing anymore films like that or try something different?
Posted: Sat, 23rd Aug 2003, 9:45pm

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Denise CookXClam

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i cannot find a program able to open this file...the new version of quicktime says that it cannot understand it
????
Posted: Sun, 24th Aug 2003, 9:20am

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anonymous

When I try to play the movie, Quicktime says it can't because the required compressor could not be found. What do I need to watch this?


P.S. I have seen it at my friend's house and it rules!!!!
Posted: Fri, 5th Sep 2003, 3:19am

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Incredable! That was the best fighting film i've seen. And that had a good drama act to it!
Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2003, 6:55pm

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One word:

AMAZING!
Posted: Thu, 11th Sep 2003, 11:23pm

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I don't think this video and the word amateur belong in the same sentence.
Posted: Sat, 13th Sep 2003, 11:50pm

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fow, let me just say, on behalf of everyone else who has watched this film: You're an arse!!!
Thanks,
Jerry Cornelius
Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2003, 9:19am

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fow, open your mind up a little bit, huh?

Yes, it's true that this film has problems with consistency, but so what? The consistency problems were small enough to be ignored. These guys aren't professionals. In fact, they've never done anything like this before, not even any formal classes. For true amateurs, this was phenomenal. I've watched it too many times to count now and I'm still not sick of it. Ignore the small things and enjoy it, damn it.
Posted: Thu, 25th Sep 2003, 10:26am

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I watched this in the end, because of all the hype.

I think they done a good job with the lightsabre fx's and the fighting was good, but.... ( i'll get flamed now, )

but maybe because of the hype on this film it wasn't as good as I was expecting (sorry )
Posted: Fri, 26th Sep 2003, 1:41am

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Wow that was one of the Best lightsaber fight sequences we've ever seen. eek
The only minor problem we saw (and it was minor) is the fact that the lightsaber doesn't turn off when he drops it.
You definately did an excellent job for never doing any film type work before.
Five stars from us. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 28th Sep 2003, 5:35pm

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WOW I didnt think this was worth waching but I got bored and watched it and WOW. Number 1 on my list. unsure
Posted: Sun, 28th Sep 2003, 7:13pm

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what i find very funny is how, alot of the standard people that have been on fxhome for a while now havent even watched this. I watched this film before i even knew abotu fxhome this film was actually what led me to this place. I think mixed with the monolouge its a totally different board game, then just a saber fight. mixed with sound effects, its what amature film making is all about!
Posted: Sun, 28th Sep 2003, 7:30pm

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Well I didn't watch it for ages because it is such a large file to download, especially for the length. Being lazy on the encoding does have the drawback of putting off people from watching as well as taking up more of your bandwidth.
Posted: Sat, 4th Oct 2003, 3:49am

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I've downloaded this movie, watched it about a million times, and all I can say is THANK YOU FOR SUCH AND INSIPRIATIONAL MOVIE!

One question: Where did you get the lightsaber props? I can't find them anywhere, besides the cheap Target brand.
Posted: Sat, 4th Oct 2003, 5:11pm

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This movie is good, but not really worth all this hype. There are still a lot of things that could be improved. I like the way they have made a lightsaber fight into a story a bit but I don't like the fact that it is swordfighting for show. It would be better if it was choreographed so that they look like they are trying to attack the other person rather than swing at their lightsaber all the time.
Posted: Sat, 4th Oct 2003, 11:24pm

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SciDog.. man, they did use the cheap target brand ha, look closely at them. You can find those anywhere.
Posted: Mon, 6th Oct 2003, 3:30pm

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This is one of the nicer fight scene films here. The story is minimal but the quality is excellent. Nice camerawork, simple but attractive choreography, excellent use of the AlamDV effects and an overall pro feel to the entire film. There are few projects on this entire site that can boast such a polished piece of work. Impressed.
Posted: Mon, 6th Oct 2003, 11:11pm

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This movie 0wnz. And, the music went well with the mood of the movie. Poor choice of music is disappointing.

~R41D3N
Posted: Mon, 6th Oct 2003, 11:33pm

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Man, you "Guests" are so annoying. You have no clue how hard it is to make a short film, and with all the choreography, editing, and special effects. If you not perfect, or not able to make a better one, don't judge.


SciDog
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Sci dog... what guest are u talking about? haha, i hope its not the 1 above your last post because he complimented the movie, he didnt make fun of the movie at all.
Posted: Tue, 7th Oct 2003, 1:10am

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Opps. The way he phrased it sounded like he didn't like the movie, the music was bad, and the music and movie fit well together because they were bad. Maybe I should just learn to read. Sorry "guest"

StupidDog (aka The Illiterate One)
Posted: Fri, 10th Oct 2003, 6:57pm

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My favorite light saber movie in this database. The martial arts skill and coreography is far and away the best here. I love the setting as well. I just wish the ending could have been a little cooler. I like the final move to finish one of the "Jedi" off, but a little more story afterwards would have been nice. Some more character development throughout the fight would have been cool too. Just some close ups showing anger, fear, frustration, determination...whatever. Still my favorite movie out of everything here so far. Very very well done.
Posted: Mon, 20th Oct 2003, 10:10am

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Swinging the light saber for show is what it's all about to make a fight scene attractive. There are 2 styles of fight scenes. 1 which is this one, based on wushu movements and flashy choreography. The second type would be the Bruce Lee style. Many fightscenes were made to look good in Chinese movies until Bruce Lee's appearance. Bruce emphasized on realtime fighting because he grew up as a real time fighter with no flashy movements. The choreography done in this film is not easy. Not everyone can do that side flip and cartwheel with no hands especially while holding something in both hands. The Ho Brothers took time and effort to edit so much. Many of their camera angles and shots were professional which some high ranked short films lack. Every shot was filled with action and suspense. Therefore, I think that this is the best amateur short film on ths site.
Posted: Fri, 31st Oct 2003, 12:35am

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You guys did a good job. I think you should make a film. Of coarse with all these people watching this small film people would probably buy it. I know I would.
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 3:13am

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Incredible. Simply incredible. Excellent choice for the music. Fluid choregraphy.

A possible suggestion. Instead of having the letter read at the beginning, while having them stand around, read a part of the letter, then fight, then read another part during the pauses in action. You could also have the last couple of sentinces read during the final action scene (of course finishing it well before the end of the dual.)

Incredible...

(Now if we could just have the Ho brothers choregraphy, music choice, cinematography and story with the Duality crew's set, costuming, and compression...)
Posted: Sat, 1st Nov 2003, 7:10pm

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Kid wrote:

This movie is good, but not really worth all this hype. There are still a lot of things that could be improved. I like the way they have made a lightsaber fight into a story a bit but I don't like the fact that it is swordfighting for show. It would be better if it was choreographed so that they look like they are trying to attack the other person rather than swing at their lightsaber all the time.
This movie is so worth the hype it does something that most if not none, which is strike an emotion. You watch this and you really feel for it.

I think unlike what you think. this movie is always about showing off. Its about the use of showing different angles and views. its not sole heartedly about trying to really show how to kill someone. If you watch modern day martial arts well actually any martial art film. its like ballet. The flow of the body the different shapes the curves that are intresting. The combinations not really the whole hearted killing.

Well it is for me anyway...
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well congrats on the well made fighting scene. but i think that storyline is THE most important aspect of any movie. because of this i gave it a 3/5. maybe you should mk a prequel to this movie and make a well-developed storyline.
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...yes but did they want to make a good story or to amaze us with the impressive choregraphy and effects!
I always rate movies by what they want to show us, not by what missed!
Posted: Mon, 10th Nov 2003, 5:29am

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Download this now!! Very classy, yet kick-ass. Wild, yet poignant. Better fighting than the Yoda scene in Episode II. Great kill shot. Very cool soundtrack and sound effects also. I can't wait to see what these guys put out next. Better than anything else on this entire site!!
Posted: Sun, 16th Nov 2003, 10:04am

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any hoo Jedi or Sith (or even both) it was a great battle! and well shot!
ill be waiting in line for your next project. :Þ
Posted: Tue, 25th Nov 2003, 5:44pm

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biggrin
nice movie !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Tue, 2nd Dec 2003, 10:26pm

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I think that the choreography in this fight scene was simply amazing! Your moves were outstanding and is worthy of material to use to out and create amazing fight sequences for films.

On the "as a whole" film, I gave it a 3. I found myself not really knowing much about the characters, so I didn't really care who won or lost. I like to see some plot development and character building in films wether short or long. That was mainly the reson for the downgrade. Your fighting was amazing and definitely one of the best I've seen.

Keep it up!
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Well alot of positive comments have been written about 'Art of the Saber', and now after finally viewing the film I can add my opinion.

I found the movie very entertaining, well shot and great use of martial arts. I was particularly impressed with the editing and choice of camera angles to involve the viewer in the action.

The small pre-cursor of the storyline set up the battle well and I felt the Ho brothers achieved a really impressive blend of effects and choreography.

I will watch for any more Ho brother projects with much interest.
Thanks for the entertainment!
Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2003, 10:25pm

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Nicely done, I like the poetic narrative, the choreography and the effects are superb..

The only problem for me is that the Lightsabres have a shadow biggrin
Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2003, 10:40pm

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pboniface wrote:

The only problem for me is that the Lightsabres have a shadow biggrin
Does it really matter???
Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2003, 10:41pm

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No.. It really doesnt matter.. at was an attempt at irony based on the contents of another thread, just to see if anyone picked up on it..

sorry if you appear to have missed that confused
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I picked it up, I read that thread right before I came here, heh. BtW i dont think sabers shopuld have shadows, but perhaps a reflection of light on the ground.
Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2003, 1:28am

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I enjoyed this piece immensely. I thought it was well-filmed--both in regard to the framing and the camera movement. And I thought that the actual physical performances required by the choreography were very, very good. I have filmed a lightsaber battle or two (as well as a few sword-fights) in my day, and none were of this quality. As a presentation of sheer visual spectacle it is quite enjoyable.

However, I do have a complaint or two. First, the letter at the beginning didn't really work for me, for the simple reason that it seemed to give indications of a story which never really surfaced. But I did not consider it a major flaw by any means. Second, I never knew who was the good guy and who was the bad guy. We are obviously intended to identify more with the guy at the beginning looking at the picture, but it is never really clarified. As the audience, I didn't know who to root for. Now it could be that you were going for some sort of statement about the horrors of war, and that both sides are grey and there is never a clear, solid right and wrong, but again, it was never clarified. And third, the choreography. Extremely well done for the most part, it was quick-paced and fun to watch. And I know that in lightsaber battles the fighting has to be 'embellished' with unnecessary moves and spins and stuff. It has to be there. But I thought there was a bit much here, and it started to draw attention to itself. And a couple of the moves were such bad ideas for the characters that they instantly pulled me out of the movie-watching experience. "Hmm, let's see... This guy is trying as hard as he can to kill me, so I think I'll stick my saber in the ground and let go with both hands.' ???? How could the guy think this was going to be a good idea? The flipping of the saber around the neck and the flipping of the other guys saber around his own saber also pulled me out of the movie and back to reality. And finally, during the pauses in the fighting, the positions they both take, while obviously martial-arts influenced, are extremely impractical from a sword or light-saber fighting point of view. The whole point of an en garde position is to keep your blade between you and your opponent, to keep yourself defended. They are both holding their weapions behind them. Now I'm not really a fan or student of any martial arts styles of swordplay, so perhaps in some of them this would actually serve a purpose other than making it really easy for your opponent to kill you (or trying to look cool), but I can't see what it would be.

But I loved the stuntwork, with the nifty flying sideways spinny things, and the way you used the camera angles to imply a twenty-foot jump in the air worked really, really well. I guess what my complaint really boils down to is that film-making of any sort is always, always about convincing the audience to suspend their disbelief of what they are seeing and engage themselves into the story and the characters, to forget that they are watching a movie. Many fanfilms and amateur movies never accomplish this, you just sit there, fully aware the whole time that you are watching a movie. When watching Art of the Saber, it did engage me, I was drawn into the action, but then there were just a few places where I was pulled back out again, and dropped back into reality.

As your first finished attempt at film-making, I am thoroughly impressed. Please don't take any of this as an insult to the piece, or anything of that sort, 'cause I really liked it; I just thought this would be the one area you should focus on improving on your next endeavor. Verissimilitude is essential in great filmmaking, and you are well on your way.
Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2003, 3:35am

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If nivlak isn't a gold user, than how did he make a movie with AlamDV? It makes me think... Was this movie done with AlamDV at all?

PS: It still is awesome!
Posted: Wed, 24th Dec 2003, 3:47am

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Brettsta wrote:

If nivlak isn't a gold user, than how did he make a movie with AlamDV? It makes me think... Was this movie done with AlamDV at all?

PS: It still is awesome!
I could be wrong but -

Yes, he made it with AlamDV. The older trial versions could save, but they came with a limited amount of plugins. He used the given light saber plugin and clashes...etc. and then exported. Now, tho, they dont allow saving in the trial.

I could be completly wrong, but i think i am correct biggrin


Andrew
ps:I was wondering this too until i sorta 'pieced it together'
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I remember a magazine giving away a free copy of the origional alamdv, in which case you wouldn't register as a gold user BUT you could still submit your alamdv movies biggrin
Posted: Fri, 26th Dec 2003, 5:15pm

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Well, what do you know? I am wrong... hehe

Andrew tard
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Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2004, 8:21am

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Hey, how did you get the movie to be such good quality? It was like i was watching an actual movie on dvd almost. Did you use an expensive camera, or special lighting effects?
Posted: Fri, 2nd Jan 2004, 10:35am

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Very nice! That music gaves nice feeling...., I`d like to see more! razz

Im speechless....,

5 Stars from me!

--------------- c R a Z y -----------------
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 9:17pm

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I am in awe! This is awesome! You guys need a 10.

But, there is no 10.

5!!!!!!

5!!!!!!

5!!!!!!

You guys killed ever our fanfilm I've ever seen.

-Nathan
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 1:51am

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ever our.......?
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 5:36am

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^^ I think he meant "every other"
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He was at a loss for words...
Posted: Mon, 5th Jan 2004, 7:11am

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This video is awesome for its choreography, but I felt the music was at a loss.
Posted: Mon, 12th Jan 2004, 4:20pm

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Although I've seen "Art of the Saber" many times, I've never rated it. but now that I have, you all get an obvious 5 for excellent choreography and EFX work. You all are definitely inspiring us to shoot higher in the saber/swordwork genre. I can't wait to see a full blown film from you guys. Until then I'll continue to keep this one in my favorites. smile
Posted: Thu, 15th Jan 2004, 10:47pm

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That was amazing. Defently a 5 no probalem. I wish you guys would come out with some more movies. The martial arts were amazing. just wish we could have fighters in our movies like that.haha you can check out or movies on blurredimagemedia.tk They are alright. we aew coming out with another soon. It is going to be like 30 mins. long we are still in the script prosess. But anyway hope you guys do another movie. It was great. later
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That was one of the best movies i've seen on this site. I wish i could fight that good. Deffinately a 5. You have got to make some more movies like that. i couldnt make a better movie in 5 years.
Posted: Tue, 3rd Feb 2004, 6:55pm

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This was THE FIRST fanfilm I ever downloaded. If it weren't for Art of the Saber, I never would have found this site, never gotten Alam DV, and never even knew I could make a semi-decent fanfilm of my own. This movie is AMAZING, 5 stars with no hesitation from me. I think I've watched it about 30 times. I hope to see more from you guys. Thank you for everything.

Jon K
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Posted: Wed, 11th Feb 2004, 7:43pm

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amazing...absolutely amazing. The one with the red saber could have been more...uh...into it, but otherwise, both of them were AWESOME. I'm a better person for watching this. biggrin
Posted: Thu, 12th Feb 2004, 10:30pm

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That was great!!!
5 out of 5
Sorry, no disrespect to the almighty solthar, but after seeing this film, i have moved it to my no. 1 in my personal favourites. turicon is second to this beauty, and it is soooooo much better than the absursly over rated protigon final release
Posted: Sat, 28th Feb 2004, 10:14pm

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These guys should get paid for this! I give it 6 Emmies... I mean 5 on the rating... something to that effect... The only bad thing about these guys is that they make all the rest of us look horrible. wink It's like they're almost... too good... they might... be out to get us...(dramtic music starts whyle your eyes get shifty)
Posted: Sun, 29th Feb 2004, 2:02pm

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wow this movie was great i give it 2 thumbs up the music was perfect and it didnt need tht many fx which is great. the coreography was amazing and the sword handling was just great i hope 2 see another movie from you guyz ur awesome
P.S. my frends and i who will b posting our movie soon used the gotez aran song as well hope you dont mind it rlly inspired us
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I think I recognize that letter, is it from a Confederate in the 26th North Carolina Infantry?
Posted: Wed, 17th Mar 2004, 1:16pm

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Where did you get those lightsaber sound fx?
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Loved it!
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Frozenpede wrote:

I think I recognize that letter, is it from a Confederate in the 26th North Carolina Infantry?
It says at the end of the movie it is from a union soldier. He was captain sullivan ballou. check it out at 5:14 into the movie
Posted: Fri, 9th Apr 2004, 2:46am

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Where did u get those sound effects?
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Man, just go to the top of this sites page > click on "more" > then click on "sound downloads".
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You guys are an inspiration! I like the theme and setting of your story. The Civil War letter voiced-over was a good choice. The choreography was good too. The only thing that caught my eye was some minor jiggling of the camera as it panned. I didn't notice it until the second viewing, but just as the swordsmen must practice their fight before-hand, so must the cameraman practice the art of smooth planning.

Well done!

Jay
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i wish i made that film so i can say how cool i am. Great style im glad u mixed up fighting styles
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GOOD JOB!
IT WAS THE BEST SABER FIGHT I HAVE EVER SEEN!!
AGAIN, GOOD JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FROM DARKSABER101
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eek Wonderful!!!
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Very, very, beautiful biggrin
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good coreography
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Simply awsome, this film is probably the best short i have ever seen! The fx actually meat up with the real star wars movie effects. And the matrial arts were awsome too. good job 5 stars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Okay, I saw this saber flick the day it went on, and I still cannot stop watching it. I mean, it's awesome!!! Great job, perfect choreography, and the sound....awesome!!!!! 8 out of 5. My favorite on the whole site.
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I loved it! surprised This is by far the best on the site! It scares me! eek
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It's alright... I mean I don't think i could do any better but, it's not the best I've seen. It kinda bored me... a lot.
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eek
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... shut up mike...
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This was a truly magnificent short. I loved it. It was incredibly haunting, which I love. The acting and voice work were poor, but the film was amazing nonetheless. I got a bit teary-eyed. Well done, well done.

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Krááása
goood
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so simple but very good, the actors are more importants than the effects..
they are good fighters with a lovely choregraphy.....that's the most important...so you can put after light sabers...they don't look like ridiculous with effects to survive the movie....no! the tales is here, the performance is good it-self......and so effects make it beauty!!
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This movie is seriously amazing easily better than the actual star wars films sabre fightswhich are only about 30seconds long and have some huge cheap other battle going on at the same time.
You have a talent 4 choreography and film making make another film so we can all look up to it in awe and all watch it over and over again
Please!!!
Absolutely stunning film Thank you.
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Masterful!!
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If something is masterful - this is!
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Erfa wrote:

If something is masterful - this is!
Nah, I'm kind of sick of it. It's boring.
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rolf von splackenwaller wrote:

Krááása
goood
I remember right after we bought AlamDV I was looking to see if there was any other info on it on Google, and I came across a site saying that rolf von splackenwaller was a username you use if you want to cheat the company (I would never do that) and get a free copy of Alam. I never thought anything of it as we already had Alam, but I just thought someone from CSB ought to know....you know, in case they try to steal the software or something, then you came report them to their ISP. Just a precaution- wouldn't want anyone getting a CSB product for free after I paid for one! hugegrin
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as I see it, this movie have made people by alamdv2, at least I bought it after I saw this one (some mounths ago)
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That's a very very good film with a super choreography. I'm waiting for your next film wink
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where did you get those AMAZING saber clashes? smile
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The AMAZING plugin section http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/about.html
which you'll be able to use if you buy the AMAZING AlamDV
http://fxhome.com/store/
Posted: Sun, 3rd Oct 2004, 8:15pm

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Rawree wrote:

The AMAZING plugin section http://fxhome.com/alamdv2/plugins/about.html
which you'll be able to use if you buy the AMAZING AlamDV
http://fxhome.com/store/
wink DING!
Posted: Sat, 16th Oct 2004, 2:05pm

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Dudes,
All I can say is... holy crap man!! That was amayzing!!! Okay I'm done...
Posted: Mon, 8th Nov 2004, 10:53am

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I though the movie was awesome, a realy good story.
Posted: Tue, 16th Nov 2004, 6:25am

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This is one of the best fight films I've seen in a long time. The film is given a very dramatic flavor at the beginning with the speech presented by our protaginist. This adds meaning and scoope to the rest of the picture. Throw in superb choreography, lightsabers, and a dramatic death, we have ourselves a well made kung fu high fly'n joy ride of adrenaline! (which I thought was very cool by the way cool ). One of the best moves was the "spinning light saber on neck" move. I had to go back and look to make sure I wasn't see'n things! redface Anyway, awesome film. It shall go down in Fxhome history as one of the greatest martial art movies of all time! twisted
Posted: Mon, 13th Dec 2004, 7:23pm

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kingofbling775

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this movie was amazing....the light saber skills were incredrible....did he rli dodge that saber???? biggrin plz make a new one because i loved art of the saber and it was definitely the best film i have seen yet
Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2004, 12:58pm

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Some very impressive work here, with some very good coreography combining with some wonderful cinematic touches. The use of the incidental music was also extremely well chosen, as it made the whole thing feel a bit more "important" than your average no-budget fan film. Just a shame there's absolutely zero plot to hang it all together. It would be nice one of these days to actually see a lightsabre film which had a plot, but sadly, this isn't it.
Posted: Wed, 15th Dec 2004, 1:55pm

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I wouldn't say there's no plot. They used the civil war letter well to suggest a plot in our heads. No plot you say? I say unto thee, let goest of thou.......dur
Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2004, 1:26am

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Well, if there is a plot, it's extremely weak and used merely as a placebo to justify two people running around attacking each other with lightsabres. The use of the Civil War letter was a good idea, but because so many of the fundamental Elements of Drama are ignored, the viewer is left feeling unsatisfied by the end.

Don't get me wrong - this film serves its supposed purpose quite well, and it does it with relish and panache. It's just that there's very little in the way of dramatic resonance for the audience, as we don't know anywhere near enough about the lead characters to feel any sort of sympathy or suspense at the plight.
Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2004, 2:00pm

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I dunno. We know he's fighting on the side of good. We know he has a child and wife. I think there is plenty of drama when he falls, as we know that his last letter was talking about how he wants to see her again, but he has acknowledged that he may soon die, but no matter what he will not stop thinking about her. At least I felt that there was enough drama to give me my fill.
Posted: Thu, 16th Dec 2004, 10:45pm

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But that's just my point - you've made a lot of assumptions just to generate and fulfill the requirements of good drama. For example, how do we know the guy with the wife and kids is good? Could he not just be a bad guy who happens to be married? How would that change your perception of the film itself - suddenly the victor of the piece becomes a hero, and the viewer's dramatic loyalty to the piece changes?

Don't get me wrong - the film was quite good, as it featured some superb cinematography, great choice of music, and the special effects and coreography were all very good. It's just a shame that there couldn't have been a stronger plot to bind it all together. Sure, since Greek drama revenge has been a strong motivator. But at least the Greeks knew that you had to build up to the event so that the audience felt anything more than just a twinge of emotion.
Posted: Thu, 23rd Dec 2004, 8:33am

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Good and evil are all subjective. I don't think we can label the protagonist as a potential "bad guy who happens to be married." In any conflict, one side always sees the other as bad and vice versa. By setting us up on his side the filmmakers have defined the protagonist as a good guy simply because we see him that way.

I do agree that a more fleshed out plot would have been excellent, though. But, seeing how well made this movie is, there must be a reason behind its exclusion.
Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2004, 2:52am

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Definitely the best for me, for now.. crazy

tard !WOW! eek
Posted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005, 5:03pm

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I really like your movie a but i have question. Since this movie has the best laser sword effeckt i 've seen at this site i suggested i ask you guys. I've just buyd AlamDV adn i dunno how i make the -laser sword-effect follow an object. how do i do that?
Thanx!
Posted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005, 5:15pm

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kimmik wrote:

I really like your movie a but i have question. Since this movie has the best laser sword effeckt i 've seen at this site i suggested i ask you guys. I've just buyd AlamDV adn i dunno how i make the -laser sword-effect follow an object. how do i do that?
Thanx!
I imagine this is what you want.
Posted: Wed, 12th Jan 2005, 6:25am

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Marconis777

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>Good and evil are all subjective. I don't think we can label the >protagonist as a potential "bad guy who happens to be married." In any >conflict, one side always sees the other as bad and vice versa. By setting >us up on his side the filmmakers have defined the protagonist as a good >guy simply because we see him that way.

But don't forget how the Star Wars context colours everything . The writer of the letter is good because he speaks of the "Revolution" ie. Rebellion that he is grateful is forefathers fought and died for. So he fought to overthrow a tryannical regime (the Empire), or knows that such a struggle undertaken was just and neccesary. Context and cultural baggage can have a huge impact on an audience's emotional response to a piece. That's why when I see art from another culture, I may not be as moved as a native of that culture because I don't know the cultural motifs, metaphors, conventions, etc. In this case, the filmmakers made a small mistake with the contexting; the good Jedi's sabre should have been blue/green/purple, and the evil Sith's sabre should have been red, so keep the motifs consistent.

>I do agree that a more fleshed out plot would have been excellent, >though. But, seeing how well made this movie is, there must be a reason >behind its exclusion.

As do I. The fact that they even tried is commendable, because the cinematic feel of the piece seemed to the filmmaker's top priority. The scene-setting was icing on the cake.
Posted: Wed, 9th Feb 2005, 7:04pm

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woodardboyz

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My post is a bit late, but I saw the practice version of this movie on a diffrent site and it was great, but the finished product is very good. First "jedi" skill saber play I've seen. Lucas needs to up his saber fights in the next movie.
Posted: Thu, 10th Feb 2005, 9:27pm

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woodardboyz wrote:

My post is a bit late, but I saw the practice version of this movie on a diffrent site and it was great, but the finished product is very good. First "jedi" skill saber play I've seen. Lucas needs to up his saber fights in the next movie.
True dat. I wonder what nivlaks doing, people post all this stuff, and I don't even think he's been on the grid for a while to read it. Well, my top ten movie, still. 5/5, easily.
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atom wrote:


I wonder what nivlaks doing, people post all this stuff, and I don't even think he's been on the grid for a while to read it
In the remake thread movieguy supposuedly got permission to do Art of the Saber and then he came back and apparently watched Neurosis and rated it......I hope this guy comes back for real some time soon.

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