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Best of 2002 and the first big trailer of 2003...

Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 3:04pm

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To find out what people really think, we've put up the definitive poll of the big movies of 2002. You can go cast your vote here.

With Adrenaline and Art of the Saber currently impressing everybody with their martial arts and stunt choreography, this might be a good time to mention the trailer for Quentin Tarantino's new film, Kill Bill. It's his first film since Jackie Brown in 1997, and it's shaping up to be a martial arts extravaganza to rival the Matrix sequels. Go watch the trailer!
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 4:31pm

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You know what I think will be even better than kill bill?

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2451960,00.html?refsite=&sid=&cch=

Shaolin Soccer!



Of course, The Matrix 2 and 3 will blow everything out of the water.
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 4:40pm

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Matrix 2 and 3 look boring... smile
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 4:40pm

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Shaolin Soccer kicks ass - one of my favourite films! Supremely funny, and the effects, while cheesy, are really quite cool wink
Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2003, 7:35pm

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Looks quite funny... Could be the first Tarantino film I like...


Yeah, Shaolin Soccer looks funny too... Cool idea... smile
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 3:29am

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I've seen Shoalin Soccer. It's pretty good... Really weird but good. A lot of the effects are very well done like when the main character kicks one of those really big freezers. It was cool. It's been on DVD/VCD for about a year in Asia. It's probably not that hard to get a hold of.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 3:33am

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Kill Bill looks gay. And by the way, what was with that plane at the beginning of the trailer? This is supposed to be a Motion Picture and it looked like they used AlamDV.crazy





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Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 10:05am

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gay? well i certainly didn't notice any homosexual inferrances in the trailer. infact if lucy liu and uma thurman decided to... wait this is the wrong forum for that biggrin I think it looks a very promising film, I've always been a fan of Taraninos work, and this looks like he's branching out and trying something new. I look forward to it's release. Admittedly though, the plane at the beginning looked very CG, but hey what's wrong with using AlamDV in a big budget film?? smile As for the shaolin soccer, what can I say? The effects, and infact the whole idea look a bit rediculous, yet draws me in, as I always enjoy a good light hearted, action packed film. It should remind us all, films don't always have to be taken so seriously.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 10:24am

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Reminds us that films should rarely be taken seriously, I'd say. smile

The plane at the start is a curious thing. I'm not sure whether it is CG or not, but everyone else seems to think it is. Couple it with the obvious modelwork on the city, and you have a very bizarre shot. I'm intrigued by the style of this movie.

Still, that plane isn't as bad as the plane transition in xXx (or was it Die Another Day? They're both just as rubbish as each other).
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 6:42pm

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I agree that films shouldn't be taken seriously for the most part.

They're entertainment, simple as that. If you want some deep spiritual meeting or an insight into human nature or whatever, read a book.

Films are there just to enjoy-and waste-two hours or so, and that's it. I find it funny when people get into big arguments over films...ie, the whole bit with 28 Days Later... lol lol

And LOTR, people have brought up how it reflects even life today with sauron being osama or something, (i think it was sidewinder who brought it up)....maybe in the book. The movie fails miserably. Very little of the magic that I felt from reading has transmitted into the film version. Though the movies are quality entertainment...why care SOOO much about it?
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 7:27pm

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Argghh! Quentin Tarantino ripped off Bruce Lee's last and unfinished movie Game of Death. The whole motorcycle suit and that bar are right out of it.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 8:51pm

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Funny you say that Cypher... We must be complitely different personalities...
Actually I have never felt anything by reading a book... Only when seeing a film I feel "magic"... Especially with "lord of the rings"... smile

And I don't agree with the missing of deep content in a film. I think there are movies that are very intelligent and very deep...


All in all I always prefer the worst film to the best book... smile
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 9:28pm

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The reason I enjoy books is that your own imagination takes the wheel. In a movie, you will see something and think "man, that's ugly, they could have done it this way" and can't do anything about it. In a book, you are given the characteristics, and no matter how perfectly and precisly the author describes (like Tolkien), peoples imaginations will end up with different results.

I for one, always imagined Faramir to have black hair, like aragorn, because I thought that fit his character better, though I think in the book it says that he has the same hair as his brother.

Very few movies have ever really gotten empathy out of me. Some movies that have include Forrest Gump, My Dog Skip, Titanic, Truman Show and the likes. Only a handful. Books on the other hand, have better and longer lasting impressions on me, like LOTR (even Hobbit), almost any Grisham book (The Firm, The Client), though sometimes I think the ending isn't good. Hell, even the Star Wars books that I've read (Rogue Squadron collection) have been more enjoyable than most movies.

I'm not saying that films shoulnd't meaning to them etc...I just think that people make a big-and pointless-argument over trivial things. Like I said, the moving picture industry is simple entertainment.
Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2003, 9:40pm

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Hmm.. Can't really understand that...

I for my part would never even think of critisize that something doesn't look like I would have done it... I'm not the middle of the universe... smile

When I go and see a movie I see what THEY thought. I see their pictures and their ideas... Just because they don't match with mine doesn't mean they aren't good... or that I cannot like it that way... smile


I think I just prefer films because I am a very visual person. I actually like seeing other pictures. Pictures that mismatch with my own. It's very interesting to see what other people think and see...
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 12:23am

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I agree with Sollthar on this one....I can definitely get magic out of watching a movie....I mean, Cypher, you are right too. Reading a book leaves your mind up to deciding how things look and other details. But in saying that a movie is just something to kill 2 hours, I disagree. But you know, it doesn't matter....

And Sollthar, I don't know if you caught this earlier, but not too long ago I posted somewhere in a forum that people shouldn't get all 'uptight' about movies. You responded by saying "Funny, that from the one who voted a zero on the Test."

I never voted zero on the test. I gave it a five.



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Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 12:31am

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Cypher wrote:


They're entertainment, simple as that. If you want some deep spiritual meeting or an insight into human nature or whatever, read a book.
OK, that's not what I meant at all.

If you think films are as bland as that, then all I can think is that you're watching the wrong films. smile (oh, and that Sollthar is reading the wrong books razz )

However, as Sollthar has said everything I wanted to say already, I won't repeat it.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 12:41am

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Cypher wrote:

Though the movies are quality entertainment...why care SOOO much about it?
You are correct. Movies are a form of entertainment but the reason the are so successful is because to many people a specific film can be so much more.

In life all of us have our own forms of escapism, whether that be computer games, films or reading. People care about films because when they are watching a film they enjoy a lot they are escaping for that period of time from everyday troubles and the real world.

Infact, my ambition/dream in life is to make a film that allows an audience to become so enwrapped within the film they forget about their personal problems for those few moments.

People care about entertainment because it gives us this closer, this way out. Gaming used to be mine, and now films and making films have taken on to be my form of escapism.
To ask why people care? And to be a film maker yourself? Surely a main reason would be because you care about films yourself?
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 3:35am

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Don't get me wrong, film is my preferred medium. I love film. It is my way escaping reality too.

I'm just saying that there aren't too many films out there that are above just some friday night entertainment (though there are classics), and people become too excited trying to break-apart or find underlying messages in movies, when filmmakers (pointing at hollywood, which 80% of what we see comes from there, more or less) don't care toooo much about that, but rather how to get paid.

I think books are a step higher in mental learning and enjoyment than films because they provide much deeper insight into a character and story than films could possibly try to achieve. Of course some books fail, and some books succeed in this, but the ratio isn't too high.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 9:20am

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Sorry toypyro!! Mixed something up!! Just too many nicknames on this site! redface Please forgive me!


I again disagree with you, Cypher. (hey, that could become a new hobby of mine) smile

First I think that are a lot movies that are more than "just some friday night entertainment". Actually, to me, most movies are "THE friday night entertainment"... and saturday, sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday and thursday as well... smile


Film is a language of its own, such as writing. I for my part think it is much more complex than writing, as it involves much more. I conclude that of experience of my own. I make movies and I can say in without lying that I am a pretty good writer, even though I'm not much of a reader. And to write is much more simple than to construct a movie in all it's details.
So as not everyone who reads a book can understand it, not everyone who can watch a film can read out of it.
I personally think that I don't understand the majority of the filmlanguage, even tho I make my own films and studied philosophy and moviescience... It is just too complex and I am just too young and unexperienced.
And I do think that the same goes for you too.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 9:37am

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There are far more bad books out there than there are bad films.

However, it should be remembered that film is a very young artform, barely 100 years old if that. Books have a considerable head start. We can hardly blame film if it's still in its teenage immature years. smile
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 9:42am

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lol... Thinking of film as a 100 year old teenager is a funny yet very smart image I think... smile
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 9:54am

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I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the Kill Bill trailer yet - Uma looks a little scared of the sword. Still it looks a lot better than the new Matrix films. Lets hope they are better than the first one but I'm pretty sure they'll be worse sad .
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 12:07pm

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I am thinking and hoping the Matrix trilogy will completely stand tall over any other movies. I am not a fan of those Lucy Lui (did I spell it right?) / Jackie Chan / Weird movies.confused That is just my oppinion. I don't know why, but they don't appeal to me. I have lived the past few years of my life off of watching the Matrix, and am buying tickets to the first showing of the second and third as soon as they are available. lol


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Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 5:54pm

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Tarn wrote:

There are far more bad books out there than there are bad films.
That probably is true, considering, like you said yourself, that books have a very big headstart, and there are soo many more of them.

I wouldn't say far more bad books, because aside from a few (Einstien's bridge by j. kramer), ive never been bored from a book.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 10:52pm

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Hey Schwar-

When they pump $65 million into a 17 minute long finale, you know the Matrix sequels are gonna have something.
Posted: Tue, 7th Jan 2003, 11:50pm

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expensive boredom is still boredom... smile


But I am pretty curious about the matrix filsm too... I thought the first one was pretty entertaining. But I don't really now how to would want to continue the story without detroying the story of part one... I mean... he's the chosen one... he can control the matrix... so what is there to do against him? Especially in three movies... :
Posted: Wed, 8th Jan 2003, 12:39am

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Three movies may seem like a lot, but I think it is just the perfect amount of films to cover the entire story. Of course, he is the chosen one, but that doesn't mean he can control everything. He still has to free the human population from the matrix. Just because he is the one, that doesn't mean the matrix is destroyed. He must go to Zion and gather freedom fighters to help bring down the computer-run empire. If you'd like to find out more, just go to http://www.whatisthematrix.com and read all about this stuff. I think it's a great idea...




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