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Deus Ex Machina Preview

Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:24am

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The FINAL DEUS EX MACHINA PREVIEW! Another taste of the movie - - check out the official site at:

http://www.scope-entertainment.com/~twistedstudios/dxm

Movie in .MP4 format - works well with QT6 - if your browser can't handle the pressure, download it to disk!

Graciously hosted by Cypher and Scope-Entertainment.com!!
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Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 9:13am

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Looks good, but as a teaser or trailer there was wayyyy too much black.
( i mean when you fade out balck it stayed black far to long )

looking foward to see the full film
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 9:30am

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Looking mighty impressive, Mecha smile Those cityscape fly-throughs are mindblowingly good wink The compositing also looks top-notch! Please compress the final release a bit better, though: the blockiness takes away from the impact of the film significantly biggrin Lookin' forward to it!
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 11:06am

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That looks very very sweet!

Looking forward to seeing it!

Cool as.
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 12:26pm

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Looks really good.. i still think the keying is fantastic..
Just a shame that u have a starwars ship! sad
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 12:41pm

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Wow, you're the first one to notice the star wars ships.

Oh, and that city you see at the beginning is made of 450,000 polygons.
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 12:45pm

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yeah, and the bulidings is from blade runner most of them and also some starwars bulding if i dont see wrong wink
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 3:44pm

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Shh. Stop pointing things out!
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 4:22pm

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Very cool. Looks like there are some fantastic FX-Sequences in the movie... Looking forward to finally see the whole thing! smile
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 5:18pm

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it looks like you copy "Equilibrum" lol

very good but I prefer the music in the Equilibrum trailer razz

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Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 7:54pm

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Impressive effects work. The least imaginitive tagline I've encountered since I saw a trailer with exactly the same tagline. If you can make a complete CGI city surely you can come up with a decent tagline. Didn't like the music either. However it does look good, very slick, although it told me sweet f.a. Good work don't get me wrong. However reminding the viewer of "Equilibrium" isn't a good move. Good but not great. Still looking forward to the completed film though.
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:11pm

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what? Could you say that again with a little more grammar?

Oh yeah, we just threw this up as another taste before the final release. Don't worry about the equilibrium taglines, or whatever. wink


Though if you don't like that song, too bad for you.
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 10:58pm

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meh. neutral

not nearly as impressed with this preview as I was with the one you guys released a while back. . .
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 11:26pm

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aw shucks. I guess we'll have to try harder then.


No more previews!
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:03am

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STOP POSTING NIKO

SORRY I HAVE THE CAPS ON CAUSE IM RENDERING STUFF
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:06am

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MechaForce wrote:

STOP POSTING NIKO

SORRY I HAVE THE CAPS ON CAUSE IM RENDERING STUFF
what? that doesn't make sense. . .
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:07am

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I liked the music very cool. Shouldn't it have read "...than the system" as oppsed to then the system? Otherwise the titles looked cool, and went well with the music. I give you a 3 cause there were no effects in it.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:24am

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No effects? What, you mean besides the 90% CG background/city?
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:33am

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come on atleast try to make up your own ideas instead of stealing it from a good movie. Its like you took everything from it. I bet if anyone could find the music for it you would use that too. As you can see the 1 on it thats from me. I hope there is more with me out there who thought these guys are terrible. Its not just this movie it is all of your others too. But on positive note i like it how it was short because i dont want to waste my time with you garbage.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:35am

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That was a mistake. . . unsure

you know, we encourage the freedom of opinion here, but you need to keep it civil. coming here and starting to trash talk the makers because you personally didn't think it was the best isn't cool, and crap like that isn't welcome here. . . unsure
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:41am

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ice_man agreed...that really wasn't called for....but im sure this "lskproductions1" wouldn't know anything good if it had a big sign in neon letters with every person on earth agreeing.

the fact that mecha and sidey were able to do that city automatically warrants a 2 or 3.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:47am

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no kidding!

lskproductions1 - put up or shut up! if you can do better, then let's see it! otherwise, shut your freakin' yap!
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:50am

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Errm, it was okay, but it was a total rip off of the Equilibrium trailer found here http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/equilibrium.html , although your SFX do look pretty good.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:54am

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lskproductions wrote:

come on atleast try to make up your own ideas instead of stealing it from a good movie. Its like you took everything from it. I bet if anyone could find the music for it you would use that too.
What are you talking about? Equilibrium? Dude, we were creating the storyboards for DXM while they were probably still filming.

Seriously, please tell me what you didn't like in the movie.

The titles are more of a joke as to how similar DXM is to Equilibrium.

We didn't take this preview too seriously, since were spending most of our time finishing DXM, Don't expect too much out of it besides another glimpse at the full thing.

so, as Ice-Man said:

Put up, or shut up.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:06am

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To be honest, I'm not really that impressed with the virtual city. Not that I don't like it, I obviously do. But anyone who knows anything about 3D Animation knows that if you have the building models, which they did, you just put them where you want and animate the camera. I'm actually more impressed with the ship flying over the street, or carrying the bad guys. That looked really nice. Remember, I'm not putting it down, just rating it on a difficulty aspect.

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Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:21am

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Ah yes, but I built all but a few of those buildings (the big gray ones and the large brownish one were downloaded).

But you are right about building a city in general. They are extremely easy, if you take the shortcuts that 3d allows. This one had to be a fully detailed model, though, and you'll see why in the final movie.

Also, that was only about 1/8th of the flyby.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 5:25am

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im speaking the truth, u guys did copy off of EQUILIBRIUM. the white suits, the whole story, "one person over powers the goverment.. BLAH BLAH BLAH" im just saying,, i got an idea why dont you call them CLERICS and maybe get like an actor named Christian Bale. and call it umm ,... sometyhing that starts with an "E" maybe equilibrium. Actually im in the making of a movie of mine and when i am done i will be happy to put it on alamdv site. but dont get mad at me just cuz people knew what movie u guys took off of evil biggrin smile sad eek mad lol cool confused razz redface cry tard unsure wink rolleyes oink neutral twisted crazy
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 8:27am

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Sheesh! You guys sure are anal about things. As a programmer you have to be anal, analretentive, that is.

From what I read, not just this thread but from many others, ALOT of people just don't take criticisms well, here. This "artistic" point of view, is blind, because no one really accepts the criticisms, without retaliating in a harsh way.

This is what I see: Some person comes an watch a film, made by, say, AverageJoe Productions. And JohnDoe, comes in and says, "I didn't like the 3D effects. It was blurry." In reply, AverageJoe says, "What? You son of a #*$$#! Can you do better? You sack of @#%^$! What the #$*^ is your problem? Put up, or shut up, you #$^%ing $@%@#!"

What does that say? It says how people are so sentitive about things. How many people have you heard reviews and critiques say, "I just didn't like that movie. It was boring an dull," and you heard the producers and directors say, "What?! Can you do better? I don't see you making million dollar movies and #$@#! If you can't make a million dollar movie, then shut the hell up, you @$#$ers!"

The problem is, who really are humble enough to actually take in, "you movie sucks" without yelling an cussing at someone? NO ONE ON THIS SITE, that for sure. I have seen this in and out. NO ONE ON THIS SITE IS HUMBLE enough to just "let it go."

You all are just amateurs. Don't get all prideful, alright? Even as amateurs, you need to be "constructive" about taking criticisms, as well as making them.

As for my comments on this film, I will not say. Too many pissed off people here. If I say a good comment, I will be thanked, but if I say a bad or near-negative comment, I will be bushwhacked by some HICK who thinks he's too good for ALAMDV. lol Anyways, it's a good thing all of you are still amateurs, because your movies, may be okay to look at, your attitude still stinks.

If you can't take criticisms of any kind, just shut your face or don't put any of your sorry, low budget films, away, k? Sorry, about the last sentence, that was an attack on those who just take things further than supposed to.

OutSider, OUT!
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 10:08am

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Rating: +1

Heh, nice try to make it sound like your NOT an amature "guest". razz And BTW, we do have an Average Joe productions biggrin
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 10:50am

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I disagree with you. There are many people here who can take critisism without any problems.

It's the way it is made. I am sure you see the difference between "I didn't like the movie." and "But on positive note i like it how it was short because i dont want to waste my time with you garbage."

It is everyones right not to like something and most people in this forum respect this. But critisism in the that way is not only critisism, but a personal attack. And intended personal attack and I'm sure you know that as good as I do. And that is not going to be tolerated here, you're right there.



And on se cond note: Read Sidewinders answer (he's one of the makers). He wasn't rude. He even reflected that rude comment seriously wich is something I personally wouldn't even think about with a comment like that.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 11:32am

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Wow, I nearly missed out on reading these posts.

Hope you don't mind me sticking my 2 cents worth in.

I have to agree with the makers of this trailer ( i can't comment if it's the same as some other film that i have no idea about, and I would not comment as i make copies of stargate, different stories, but still copies )

Anyway, i've had my fair share of bad comments, and the comments that hurt are the ones that say " crappy film, " but the comments i like are
" crappy film, because your sound was too low " or
" Didn't like it, the shadows on the 3d stuff was crap "

at least negative information can be used to produce a better film next time.
( just look at the first post on here, by me, i said i thought there was too much black, i didn't knock the trailer but just told what i thought was wrong )

So to be fair to both sides, if you don't like it ( other than it's a copy ) could you give them real reasons.

( I going now before i get bushwacked ) eek crazy
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:33pm

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Thanks.

I'm also gonna say this one more time.

We didn't copy Equilibrium.

If you insist that we did, I don't care. I won't bother trying to convince you otherwise.

And, like I also said, we aren't too worried about how people receive this preview. We put one up because we said we would in the spotlight. If you guys don't like it, I'm not to worried.

But I would still like to hear criticism.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:35pm

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Not much to go on really, its only a trailer after all. Looks ok though. Oh by the way, I think I'm correct in thinking Deus Ex Machina is actualy a game. I'm not sure if you based it on that though. Seems a fair few of you have got bees in your bonets, loads of petty insults flying around.
I'll save my full review for the complete movie.
It was a poor quality compression though. Which is a shame.
Man, I seriously need to get to work on my next movie.
I love how people get all up in my face and start complaining about my films.
Ah, ha, ha, ha.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 1:52pm

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yeah the ship is a starwars ep2 gunship from teh sci-fi 3d site.
Oh btw, u guys better take permission from sci-fi 3d and the authors of the model first.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 4:01pm

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Well, honestly, I put this thing together in about 20 minutes. lol

I can't believe how much people are getting worked up about it . .

The only thing equilibrium has to do with the movie is the titles. That's it.

Everything else was luck.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 8:32pm

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My goodness, what a load of cack these people talk. The film? I like it. But what I don't like is the obvious dark looking city against "real" shots that don't seem to match up.
A film which nails it perfectly is something like Batman. Dark appearance and matched visuals.

It's strange looking. One minute... DARK city. Then it's... HAPPY bright world.
I'm not explaining this well! But it's not really a dig, ok? confused

Adam.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 9:02pm

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Man, this was quite a bombshell. I personally thought the preview was great. Now, since it isn't the actual movie, I'm not going to give comments on it, because I really don't care to start any more stupid arguments. But I will mention some things. You guys get all worked up when someone calls your movie dumb, and then you go and criticize other's work saying that they copied the idea, or that the movie completely sucks, or anything! How do you know that MechaForce and Sidewinder copied Equilibrium?! Unless you were with them when they wrote it all out, you can't say anything. Seriously, one of the main reasons I don't post movies on this site is because of people like you guys! I don't make movies for other people who don't know any more than I do to make fun! It isn't worth it, really! And when someone tells the entire community that we are all only amateurs, someone flips out and spawns more stupid arguments. We ARE amateurs! Just because some of you can make an animation of a Star Wars ship flying over the moon, you think you have it made. You instantly know everything because you can make a movie, wow. There truly is a lot more to making films than the way you guys think, and I'm pretty sure you know that, but you just don't want to acknowlege the fact. And now I feel like I'm going off on everyone. Look what you've done!
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 9:09pm

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I think that the point that most people here are trying to get across, is that we like CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, but pure hateful bashing is unacceptable. unsure If you don't like it, then say exactly why, in a civil, appropriate manner. i.e. : you should say "I don't like it because it seemed like they totally copied Equilibrium." instead of "You stupid muther fukers! I wanna kill you now because you wasted my time making a god damn awful rip off of equilibrium!!! evil "

you get what I mean?

toyPYRO - it's not that we get all worked up when someone doesn't like our movie. . . we get all worked up when people are disrespectful about it.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 9:16pm

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Sorry, IceMan, my mistake.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 9:24pm

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it's okay
no big deal
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 11:01pm

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If I'm not wrong didn't Mecha and Sidey release this idea a long time ago?? I'm pretty sure Equilibrium didn't have a trailer out until like December. I don't know, I really don't think that Mecha or Sidey really care what anyone else thinks cuz I know I wouldn't. Whatever... this post is becoming trivial and lskproductions1 if you want to have any friends here I suggest that you dont flame anymore...

Super unsure
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 11:57pm

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I said they copy Equilibrum because they used the same words in the trailer. wink

go watch it, you will understand biggrin

http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/equilibrium.html
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Yeah, that's true. But they owned up to doing that on purpose. On the other hand, maybe they were covering their a**... Hmm... rolleyes
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Yeah, we did use the same words, becuase the movies were freakishly similar. It's more of a joke, rather than blatantly ripping them off.

Super noticed that the first DXM teaser came out before the Equilibrium trailer. Nice job, Super.
Posted: Wed, 12th Feb 2003, 4:54am

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The preview was very good, but i hope that the similarity between the

titles to equilibrium also means there will be some bad-ass gun kata

in your movie, if not ,is there an fight scene we should be anticipating?

thanks, cool

ILYKDP!
Posted: Wed, 12th Feb 2003, 12:10pm

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It may seem odd that the DXM trailer came out before the Equilibrium trailer, because the DXM story matches up perfectly with Equilibrium's titles and plot. But, things like that have happened before. I once wrote out this awesome story line. Everything was totally perfect. I was going to start filming quite soon, and then one of my friends told me about this movie that had the exact same plot. I didn't believe him, so I dismissed the matter. Then he rented the movie and showed it to me. That totally sucked. Coincidences do occur.
Posted: Wed, 12th Feb 2003, 3:18pm

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for some reason its not letting me download the preview of dmx?how do you download it on to a disk?
Posted: Wed, 12th Feb 2003, 6:14pm

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Wow- this topic has ruffled some feathers eh? At any rate- some comments... I liked the music- the titles were cool, and I've never seen that Equilibrium trailer folks are talking about so I don't really give a toot if it's similar or not. I liked the CG in most of the shots and had some interesting camera movements through the city. Some of the textures on the city were a little... eh. Maybe play around with some of the specular highlites and reflections. Maybe look at retexturing some of the buildings. The drop ship landing in the street looked pretty sweet! Also liked the shot of the guys in black in the drop ship. I'm sure that wasn't very easy to composite since it was a moving shot and all. Bluescreen was pretty crisp- The shot of the guy on top of the drop ship looked like it needed some color correction or something. It didn't blend right or something- I dont know. I think the contrast between the background and the actor wasn't right because as you fade to black, you can still see the guy almost perfectly, yet the background disappears. That was a little weird. I must also admit that seeing the Star Wars ship in there was odd. I'd recommend doing more to change the ship than just putting the DXM logo on the side. For instance, reshape it by removing those wings and pull some engines off a Jet model or something and stick them on in its place. I'd also recommend changing the texture maps on that model wholesale. Maybe go with an all grey type of texture similar to the drop ships in Minority Report. And I must admit that I think Apple's MP4 codec is not good. I was very difficult to get any kind of clarity in the image and it was odd to see the clip Over 2 megs for something that was about a minute and all black screen for most of it.

Well, that's my comments. I am looking forward to the final version, but as some others have said, I thought your other preview was better.

Jeremy
Posted: Wed, 12th Feb 2003, 8:30pm

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Thanks for the tips!

Unfortunately, we're already past the half-way point, so we can't change the ship models now...or the buildings for that matter.

Oh well.

But greenscreen issues will be sorted out, and everything will be color corrected and filtered in order to blend well.

The guy stands out because we had the background fade first, on purpose. The compression kind of screwed up the effect, though, so it looks kind of crappy.

And we got a lot of stuff with real elements combined with 3d models, like in the dropship, so I'm glad you like that.
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sidewinder wrote:

The guy stands out because we had the background fade first, on purpose.
I knew it! Just not sure why you did it.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 9:55am

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Couldn't view it at all.
Media Player, DivX, Quicktime, RealOne, all fail it.

Any tips?

Paul
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 12:37pm

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Paul- You need the latest Quicktime 6 since it is in Apple's Mpeg4 codec.

Jeremy
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 1:19pm

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Yes, Mecha, I didn't have any problems viewing this preview, but many others seem to. You might want to make a Quicktime 5 version of it for those who are not as updated on software. That way, they could stop wondering what everyone is arguing about... rolleyes
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 4:11pm

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Thanks to my favourite uncle biggrin
It's all RealOne Player's fault, it was a bit ambitious to think it could read mp4s, it certainly told Windows it could and set up the associations to match rolleyes

Hmmm... 56K link...

Get ready for the definitive unbiased review - in about april lol

Paul
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I wrote the story line of Vanilla Sky before it came out originally in Spain.

I can't prove it though because I wrote it in my head.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 9:58pm

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DW Peters

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Very well put together. Looking forward to the release.
Posted: Fri, 14th Feb 2003, 12:22am

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ilykdp

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If anyone wants to see MPEG4 movies, like this one, you dont have to buy

Quicktime 6 Pro, just use Kazaa or Kazaalite (kazaalite is much better, no

adware or spyware) to download it, install it onto your comp and use the

updates button to get MPEG 4 viewing capabilities. Stay away from

downloading software that is very small (e.g. 43 KB), probably has a

virus! It should work, but if not, 30 bucks wont hurt. Good Luck!

ILYKDP! cool
Posted: Fri, 14th Feb 2003, 3:14am

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supersmasher

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Quicktime 6 is free from Apple.

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/

Super unsure
Posted: Fri, 14th Feb 2003, 5:31am

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ilykdp

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Yes, quicktime 6 is free from apple.com BUT it is different from

Quicktime 6 PRO. the quicktime 6 free from apple does not play

MPEG 4, and it clearly says all over the apple web site that to view MPEG

4, ya need Quicktime 6 P R O... dumbass biggrin
Posted: Fri, 14th Feb 2003, 6:20am

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supersmasher

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Well sorry anus but I run on a Mac. Quicktime 6 on Mac does run mp4. If you run Windows I can't help you. Oh well....put that in your rectum and smoke it.

Super unsure
Posted: Fri, 14th Feb 2003, 6:31am

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supersmasher

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Oh and there is a correction to my previous post. You suck, hahaha lol
I just checked and you can play mp4 on Quicktime 6 on Windows the sound just may not play well. I dont know what website you are looking at. hahahahaha (and he laughed and laughed all the way to the bank.)

Supersmasher smashes another skeptic...

Super
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 6:49pm

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MechaForce

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Hey has anyone found the Alam effect in the preview yet?
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 6:55pm

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Hajiku_Flip

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Could it be the smoke from the smokestack at the very beginning?
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 6:56pm

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Cypher

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We were supposed to look for one?