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Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:13pm

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Golden Rasperries Nominations are out...


"Star Wars Episode 2" is nominated seven times!

- worst film
- worst supporting actor (Hayden Christensen)
- worst supporting actress (Natalie Portman)
- worst couple (Hayden Christensen and Natalie Portman)
- worst director (George Lucas)
- worst remake/sequel
- worst script



Hehe... Sorry, couldn't resist... smile
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:19pm

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Jeez - out of how many categories?
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:20pm

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Seven neutral
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 8:23pm

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Cool.

That'll learn them.
Posted: Mon, 10th Feb 2003, 10:47pm

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you know, people need to stop bashing george lucas and episode 2. . . it wasn't THAT bad, and more-over, I'd like to see any of you all do better!

as for the nominations -

worst film - should go to Star Trek Nemesis
worst supporting actor - okay, that can stay with Hayden Christensen smile
worst supporting actress - whoever that bitch was that played opposite Roy Schneider in The Hot Chick
worst couple - yeah, that can stay with Hayden and Natalie
worst director - McGee that faggot who made charlie's angels
worst remake/sequel - well, first off, I don't think those should be in the same category, and second, I think it should go to jurassic park 3
worst script - I dunno, I'd have to think on that one. . .
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:41am

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Honestly I think Episode 2 deserves all 7 of them smile
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:43am

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see, I think that's a bit harsh. . . I don't think it deserves the oscars in all categories, oh! far from it! but I think people are unnecessarily hard on that movie. . .
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:49am

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It was crap.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 12:54am

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I think the opposite. People are unnecessarily defensive to that movie.
I believe the only reason why it was that successful is because it is called "Star Wars"...

I have a very short list of movies a found bad out of all movies I have seen (and there are a lot). smile
But Episode 2 surely is one of it. I think that script is one of the worst things I've ever seen on screen. crazy



But that doesn't really matter. Tastes are different. I for example loved the new Star Trek movie. Besides "first contact" it is one of my favorite... smile
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 1:06am

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well, there you go! you are my point in case, er-no smile

and sollthar, there you have it! it does all boil down to taste, as I thought that Nemesis was awful. . . but, like you, I loved First Contact
I don't consider myself overly defensive just because it's star wars, I'll be the first to mention that it had some problems.

you keep saying it had an awful script, but I wonder, have you read the actual screenplay, or are you just basing that on what you saw of the movie. . . and another thing, what do you find so intolerable about that script?
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 1:28am

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Yeah, at the end it's all a pure question of taste. A movie can be technically perfect and still be liked less than a technically less perfect film. smile


No, I didn't read the script I'm just talking on what I saw. Sure, I can point out some of the stuff why I thought it was awfully stupid.

- Dialogues seemed very weak and flat. I had the impression that every character somehow had to say his lines down. Best example at the beginning where Amidala has this worm-creepy-thingies in her bedroom. Anakin senses danger and Obiwan just seemed to have to say this "I sense it too" before they finally run and save her. There are countless more such moments where I felt like watching a real bad stageplay.

- The characters do not develop in the movie. Lucas problem was: Everybody already knows who will become who. And he didn't play with that one single second. The only character developing was Anakin. And that development was like in a 5 cent book. Anaking is an asshole... he gets angry... he becomes a greater asshole.

- The death of anakins mother reminded me of michael dudikoff films. She is there... ONE WHOLE MONTH... but then she dies exactly in that second where Anakin arrives and the only thing she can think of saying is "Anaking, you look beautiful". Yeah... right...

- Then Anakin tells Amidala he has just kinda wiped out an entire village and she just looks at him like "oh.. bad ani... bad ani... no dinner tonight for my bad ani" and forgets it all...

- If Jedis jump around like Spiderman thats kind of okay. but if that takes over the "normal" people than I have a problem with that. As in that final scene with that monsters. Amidala jumps down from a hight where one of those huge creatures almost break all bones when falling down, but she just jumps down like in a western comedy where people jump on their horses.

- The scene where Amidala falls off the ship on that dune is ridiculous. She rolls down that hill and lies still as if she would die in the next second. Than a trooper arrives asking her if she was okay and suddenly she stands up, gets the sand our of her blouse and runs away like nothing happend.

- Then that scene with Yoda... well... I know that "man, it was the force! he is so strong and just doesn't want to abuse this power" and yada yada yada... but I thought that scene was absolutley stupid. That guy can hardly walk... why should he be able to fight like bruce lee and still walk with a stick...


All in all I felt something I hardly feel when I'm in the cinema... I really felt insulted. I honestly thought Lucas insults my intelligence as a filmviewer and I already know I am definately not going to see Episode 3...
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 1:33am

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Or shortly put:

When I saw that movie I felt like I could almost hear George Lucas laughing: "Har har... You know what? I can make whatever shit I want and call it Star Wars. And people are not only going to see it, they are going to love it"

maybe it was that felling that made me wanting to leave the cinema.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 1:43am

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okay. . .

- I can't say that I know in what manner people in a galaxy far far away talked a long long time ago, however, I imagine it isn't the same as we talk today. . . and I can' think of a movie where there isn't a couple bits of dialogue that didn't work out quite right

- I'm half with you on the character development bit. Lucas did kind of write himself into a box on that one. . . but how did you like Mark Twain's novel Huckleberry Finn?

- I've known friends relatives that should have died weeks before they got there, but for some reason held on to life long enough to see their kin one last time before dieing. I don't hold that against Lucas, it probably happened to him at one point

- you're totally right on this one. . . if I told my girlfriend that I had just murdered a shanty town of homeless people, I can guarantee you she'd have a conniption!

- and again, I thought Amidala's miracle fall was a little out of place. . . okay a lot of place smile

- okay, pretty much every scene with amidala in it had something wrong with it, but then again, I'm not a Natalie Portman fan. . . I guess Amidala was episode 2's equivalent to Jar Jar

- one of the major stresses in Sun Tzu's The Art Of War is to never let your opponent see your true abilities until it's too late. Think abou it, an old cripple is a perfect cover for the baddest fighter in all the universe! nobody ever suspects the little crippled midget.
and another thing about that, you can't take fantasy and examine it with logic. . . I know, I know, you pride yourself on being logical, but everynow and then, man , you gotta let loose, and be a little wild, and unpredictable!


I think you're being a bit ridiculous in your assumptions about George Lucas. He obviously had reasons for how he made it the way he did. and I really don't think that he's merely banking on the Star Wars name. . . he pushed the envelope on a lot of things when he made that (granted, not in story, but in technical aspects)
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:04am

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Rating: +1

Honestly I believe that Lucas didn't really care about the movie. I think his main concerns are the ones behind the cinemas. The THX Soundsystem and all the other technical adjustments he has the rights for. He makes his big money with those, not with the movie.

A local newspaper wrote "Lucas is a great marketingexpert, but an awful director and an even worse writer" and I have to agree. Thats the way I see Lucas too.



I know that you can say something to every point I stated. But it doesn't really make a difference to me.

- No, I don't know what people in a far far galaxy talk like either but if Lucas imagines them talking like bad actors or good actors with a bad director than thats fine for him, but I don't like it. smile

- I don't know Huckleberry Finn. I know the name, but I don't know what it is about. sad

- I know someone who got 4 bullets into his head and just stood up and went to hospital. But If I'd do that in a movie I hardly think the fact that it happened once will stop people from finding it silly... smile

- Hey... we never know how girlfriends react on stuff like this... we might try that out once twisted

- Maybe Amidala is like the President in Hot Shots 2... Rubber Skin and Stuff like that smile

- Hmm... maybe Yoda has a split personality or the spirit of a Gummi Bear just took control over him... smile


I have no problem with movie not really careing about logic. But then I think the movie has to make that clear. Like the mummy returns did... the whole movie shoutet "okay, I'm stupid and nothing makes sense, you're just supposed to have fun now, alright?" smile
But Episode 2 felt so... so... honest... and thats why I couldn't overlook those things.



I just feel people are much more tolerant when the movie is called "Star Wars"... I don't know if you got friends like that too, but here, some of my friends thought Episode 2 was "average" or "pretty good". And yet they went to see it 3 or more times in cinema and even bought the DVD. They would never do that with another movie they find "average" or "pretty good".
Or they agree that Episode 2 has a lot of logical errors and yet they find it "fantastic". But sometimes they hate other movies because of a lot minor errors.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:08am

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lol. Good topic, good points. +1 biggrin
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:23am

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- I don't know how people in a another galaxy think or feel either, which is why I give them the benefit of the doubt

- I mention huck finn because it's lauded as one of the best novels of all time, yet had no character develpment! the characters are in the same pot at the end as they were in the beginning!

- you have a point there. . . that whole mass psychology theory and all. . .

- knowing my girlfriend like I do, that's not something I'm going to try. . . wink

- you never know, maybe amidala isn't human, and is in fact some human-looking alien species with magical powers. . . or maybe anakin used the force to help her down from the pole, that's what I'd do if my girl was falling down that far, and I could use the force. . .

- okay, now I feel like you're disrespecting my views. . . that's not cool. I own Sun Tzu's The Art of War, and I believe that it's got a lot of valid ideas in it. . .

I don't think episode 2 was top notch, but I still saw it a couple of times, because it had AMAZING visuals in it! watching the action sequences was a joy to me because they were fun to watch! after the first time I have to admit that I had wanted to fast forward through the love scenes, but I still had fun watching it! I bought the dvd because there's a lot of valuable material in it. I enjoy watching the process on how they did some of those effects, because that, in turn, gives me better insight on how to do complex computer animations myself. . .
I have TONS of movies on dvd that I consider average, some even that I consider crappy. I think that if you spend your time only watching the best of the best, pretty soon you're going to forget what makes it the best.

I mean, hey! look at Mystery Science Theatre 3000 smile
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:35am

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I didn't know they had a worst of.

too much to read, so not replying to much, but i think harry potter should get worst in everything. (well, maybe not QUITE as bad as master of disguise)

ep 2 was a pretty bad movie, but i dont think worst of.


worst film - master of disguise
worst actor/supporting - the kid who played harry potter
worst actress/supporting - dunno, nothign special this year, and nothing that bad.
worst couple - Hayden and Natalie
worst director - the no-name, no-talent f*** who did ballistic
worst remake/sequel - potter: chamber of sh*t
worst script - potter

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Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:37am

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I really don't know Huck Finn... so I can't say something to that... sad

Hmm.. Good point... I would use my force as well to save her. But Lucas would have had to show that.

Oh, no no! No disrespect! Especially not to the Art of War! I wouldn't dare! (I'm very much into this kind of stuff as well) smile


Hmm... okay... than maybe it's just me... I only have my favorite movies on DVD... Collecotrs Edition of Sleepy Hollow, Collectors Edition of The fellowship of the ring, Collectors Edition of The Mummy and the Mummy returns, Collectors Edition of Army of Darkness and Mortal Kombat (yeah, I know... I just loved that game... SCORPION!! uh...) smile
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:43am

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it's all good, sollthar! biggrin we're still pals! if you stopped posting here, I don't know what I'd do! I'd have no one to debate with cry

yeah, don't read huck finn if you can help it. . . very few books actually made me regret reading them, but Huck Finn did. . .

The Art of War, however, is one of my all time favorite reads!!!!


yeah, my personal opinion on movies is to watch the bad with the good. . . I've got favorite 'crap' movies too! Disney's The BlackHole is the top of that list! but I still bought it! biggrin


cypher - that no name loser that made ballistic is named Kaos, pronounce chaos. that's actually his real name. . . he's actually got a bunch of films under his belt in china.
I have a lot of respect for the method with which they filmed the movie in. if nothing else you should rent the movie to see how they made it. . .
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:50am

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ya that's it...kaos...its actually like kaosakwhwoski (or something)

i saw the movie...and regret it thoroughly....much like master of disguise.

ballistic made every single person in it look bad...even banderas.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 2:50am

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Hey All

I personally didn't think EP2 wasn't THAT bad

Giving what lucas had to work with and the plot that had to be followed etc etc...there wasn't much you could do with it.

Watching the extras on the DVD he explains a bunch of things....for example how hearing Qui-Gon Jinns voice in it forshadows connecting with past jedi whch will be a larger part of EP 3

no it wasn't the best - dialog and crap sucked alot at times "I truly, deeply, love you" *cough* GAY *cough*

but i didn't think it was THAT bad seeings how what there was to work with and what was done in the end

-MAGIC
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:15am

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People say that visuals don't make a film.

They do. Ep. 2 had amazing visuals. You might not be dazzled by the plot, but sfx do play a big part.

Ep. 2 was not the worst film, mainly because of the amazing effects. Don't label it as the worst because it was a mediocre film that made more money than all your favorites.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:19am

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cypher - is it even possible to make Lucy Liu look bad? biggrin

magic_man - that was a horrible line! truly deeply indeed. . . grr unsure
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:23am

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ice_man: i didn't think it was possible to make Lucy Liu look WORSE after charlie's angels (tho i enjoyed the film)...but i was wrong...she was terrible in EVERY WAY in ballistic.
Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:26am

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really. . .

I absolutely hated Charlie's Angels. . . but Lucy Liu was HOT in it! biggrin

could you give me a 'for instance' as to why you thought she was horrible in everyway in Ballistic?


and I still hold that it's not possible to make her look bad, she's one foxy lady! smile
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I dont know why I'm bringing this up, but I figured I'd would since it's interesting. If you watch the hour or so long Filmographies on the DVD, in the scene where Obi Wan is getting chased by Jango Fett in the asteriod field and Obi hides behind an astroid to fool Jango Fett. Well, in ROTJ or maybe TESB, Han Solo tries to fool Bobba Fett by hiding behind an astroid and it doesn't work because he was already tricked in EP2. The shots even look almost identical. Neat eh?

Edit: Iceman, Garbage pit you say? Well garbage pit it is!

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Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:29am

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hajiku - it wasn't really an asteroid Han Solo tried to hide behind. . . Han tried to hide amongst the garbage dump from a star destroyer, in The Empire Strikes Back. . .
but that's neat! I never noticed that before!
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Ice_man: i don't think lucy liu is attractive...at all.

in ballistic: every line was brought across poorly (even tho the lines themselves were bad). a part that stands out for being extra-shitty is when she has the so-called "fight" with the swat team outside the plaza.
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being versed in the art of stick fighting myself (over 8 years studying the arts of Kali, Arnis, and Escrima), I can actually vouch for the credibility of that fight scene.

as far as line delivery goes, you can't blaim the actress for poor writing. she says it as she's given it. if the director tells her to say it a certain way, than that's the way she says it.

I'm sorry, I think Lucy Liu is a very good looking woman, as for her acting skill, I don't think she's any better or worse that most hollywood females. with the exception of Jennifer Connelly. She's one of the most talented women I've ever seen.
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i hope you mean jennifer connely talented...not lucy lui...but i disagree completely (about lucy lui being talented in any way).

that's the only reason im kinda iffy about kill bill.
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yes, jennifer connelly talented

well, to each his own. . . I'm not going to persecute you for not liking Lucy Liu.




but, just out of curiousity, which female celebrity do you think is hot?
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I was just laying in bed when the news started talking about an upcoming segment after the commercial break for the "Rasperries". All this time I've been saying "RasBERRIES". redface I'll post what they say in a minute or two.

Edit: Nothing we haven't already heard. Although they kept calling it the "Razzies". Thats the same thing I hope smile

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Posted: Tue, 11th Feb 2003, 3:56am

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it's actually spelled "raspberries" and for all intents and purposes, pronounce rasberries. . . they're a fruit, and very much good. . .
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hot? jennifer love hewitt.

attractive: well, jennifer connelly, Ali larter.
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Jennifer Love Hewitt? yeah, yeah, I'm with ya on that one. . . smile