Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 7:10pm
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I saw Daredevil today and I thought I'd post a few comments for those of you who are interested.
Well. I't absolutly bloody ROCKS. Brilliant in every department. Aflek is great as Murdok/Daredevil. The costume looks outstanding. The story is just like the comic book. The stunts are great, CGI is very good and a step up from Spider-man.
So to all you doubters out there who said it was gonna be crap.
Up yours. This film is class. 8.5/10
Go see it you lame brains.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 7:27pm
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I didn't think it was half as good as Spider-man.
And the cheesy fact that he yelled "Justice!" everytime he lept from a tall building to beat up some drunk ganster.
But I did enjoy a lot of the action scenes.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 7:42pm
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I saw it today as well. I've been inevitably comparing it to "spider-man". I thought the idea for "Daredevil" was better. However the plot and the characters where alot better in "spider-man".
I like the idea of making it a bit more violent however it got too serious I found and lost its sense of fun. (It was around the fight between Bullseye and Elektra that it lost something, I don't want to spoil the ending but I couldn't really give a cak after that.) The characters weren't particularly likeable. I didn't like the way they cut the fights as well.
However it was a very slick lookin' film and was good. I'd sit through it again but I never found myself really rooting for any of the characters so I couldn't care wether they all lived or died. (The only likable main character was the first to die.)
The fights were great though. Yuen Cheung Yan isn't the best fight choreographer but he's not the worst. Maybe if they'd just tried to make it more fun and entertaining than grim and serious I'd have liked it more.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:01pm
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Daredevil DIDN'T yell 'Justice' each time he lept from a tall building. Thats a crock. The characters WERE likeable. Obviously I felt more of a connection with the characters than you 2 did. I have read daredevil comics and I like the characters. Although I am a bigger Spider-man fan, I believe the film is one of the best comic book films to be made.
I guess no matter what I think there's going to be people who have a totaly different opinion. I guess it depends if you are a fan or not.
I loved the fact it was dark and moody. I don't want it all dayglo and happy and cheerful. That would be crap. If you don't like Daredevil then you probably won't like X-men 2 either.
Dark is much better for this kind of movie.
Which was better. Batman and Batman returns or Batman Forever and batman and Robin?
Is there anyone out there that has the same opinion as me, or am I alone in this?
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:11pm
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No when he jumped off a huge building he yelled "JESUS" 'cos he didn't realise how tall the building actually was.
I'd never even heard of "Daredevil" until I saw the film trailer so I think it's a film for fans. 3-4 people actually walked out during the film when I saw it. Also I don't like Ben Affleck I haven't seen one film when he hasn't played an jerk.
Chasing Amy: jerk
Pearl Harbour: jerk
The list goes on.
That could be why I didn't find his character likeable.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:15pm
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X-Men 2 is looking better and better especially compare to much of the rubbish they put out now.
I think its a crime to compare Spiderman to DD. Overall DD was a terrible film, poor in just about every respect. I'm sure the cast did their best as the script was rubbish.
At least it felt short but then again nothing really happened. I'm sure if you are a fan of the comic you would have a lot more understanding of the characters, but for someone new to DD you didn't really learn much about any of them and therefore didn't really care what happened.
The bits where he was a kid were pretty interesting (appart from the crappy voice over) and the first few "radar vision" shots were great. After than it went quickly down hill and the terrible use of music didn't help at all.
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Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:17pm
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I did say I liked the idea of "Daredevil" making it darker, it was just the way they handled it, they took it too seriously in my opinion. After all it's a film about a man who wears leather and has superhuman powers.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:19pm
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Well, the first thing I'm gonna do is head down the comic store and get the Daredevil comic this is adapted from. 'Cos it's written by Frank Miller, who is a frickin' genius.
However, I'm not going to do this because I thought the film was great.
In fact, I haven't been this disappointed in a film for a loooong time.
Cheesy script, appallingly shot and choreographed action sequences, it couldn't decide what style to go for....and by far the worst music track this side of xXx.
If I were a Daredevil fan I'd be embarassed. I dearly hope that Miller's source material was better, because his Dark Knight Returns book is fantastic.
I really rather liked the cast. It was everything else that went wrong.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:22pm
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Yeah, but it was a one time thing, not every time.
Mark P Warman made out it was everytime, and it wasn't.
I can't believe you haven't heard of Daredevil. I guess you're not into comics much then. Daredevil has appeared in Animated Spider-man series. He was also in The Incredible Hulk live action T.V show. He's also been in a few other things. As for the idiots that walked out of the film. They obviously don't know a good film when they see it. I was lucky I saw the first showing in the cinema, and the cinema was almost empty. Just how I like it. Nothing worse than a full cinema and being lumbered with a crappy seat. I've never walked out of the cinema whilst watching a film and I've seen some pretty awful films, Spawn, Judge Dredd, Stargate and a few others.
I want to see it again. I don't know if I can wait untill the DVD is out. I'll be contacting my slightly dodgy mates and see if they and get me a pirate copy. Or I might just go see it again in a few days.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:23pm
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Can I just add. Ben Affleck's acting wasn't very good either. There's 2 lines he says I can't remember them exactly but he says them so badly. One's something like "we have to prepare for court" the others something he says during his final fight, but for the life of me I can't remember it.
Still it wasn't a bad film.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:25pm
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I would say DD sits pretty well in your list of bad films...
Spawn, Judge Dredd, Stargate and DD...
If I hadn't been laughing I would have walked out.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:27pm
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Hey I liked Judge Dredd and stargate started off ok.
I think we'd better curve this discussion before it gets into a sh*t films debate.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:29pm
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it aint commin to sweden like in a month !
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:32pm
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Venger wrote:I've seen some pretty awful films, Spawn, Judge Dredd, Stargate and a few others.
What!?! I wouldn't class any of those as the worst. Maybe not the best but not near the bottom of the pile.
Judge dredd - very cheesy but also very cool and fun
Spawn - Also very cool and very like the comic. I don't think a lot of people like the spawn universe so well. Also that devil wasn't really that bad, there have been worse.
Stargate - stargate was very original and links well in to eygptian mythology.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:54pm
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Well like they say. Each to his own. Personaly I don't give 2 craps weather the music was good, weather the choreography was 1 style or another and frankly it makes no difference what anyone here says as firstly I loved the film, and second, none of you could do any better. I'm willing to put money on that too.
I'm a huge DD fan and it captured the feel of the comic totaly. The characters were spot on. Aflek played the part well. I forget sometimes that y'all are thesps.
Now I know why I rarely post here on the AlamDV forums.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 8:58pm
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Yeah I know why too.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 9:01pm
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Venger, as you say, each to his own. I'm not trying to deny you your opinion here. I'm happy that you liked the film - I wish I did too. Unfortunately I don't, that's the way it is. Shouldn't affect you in the slightest.
If you post your opinion of something, you're inviting other people's opinions. You got 'em.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 10:58pm
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anything with a girl as hot as jennifer garner is 10/10 for me. Must be puberty...
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 11:10pm
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Yes. Yes. Yes.
She was very fine indeed. Shame she wasn't ALWAYS on the screen. That would have made it ok.
Posted: Thu, 13th Feb 2003, 11:25pm
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Well I just saw it and I have to say I liked it quite a lot. I can understand why people might not, it has the same qualities as Blade. Blade got the same response when it was first on at the cinema but people seem to like it much more now.
It was dark but it was in a grimy/blade way rather than a gothic/batman way. And I liked it. The camera work went well with the harsh sound which I think was an artistic choice because of his special hearing abilities. We had to hear certain details and they would have sounded very odd with out the 'enhanced' sound to the whole film. I thought the music was your typical comic book movie kind of rock and it only sounded weird because of the choppyness and the harshness of the sound in general.
One thing I particularly liked was the fighting. It was very fast, which I like because it seems more realistic. I like the fact that you can't quite follow it in places and every move isn't drawn out in slowmo. In the big brawl at the beginning it brought attention from the moves themselves to simply each enemy going down. It shows how a normal person can't keep up and fight back. Later against the 'bosses' it was more important and the emphasis on each particular move was greater. I especially liked the way the sandbag scene mirrored the earlier pool club scene.
I agree they didn't do so much with the characters for the people who were playing them but that isn't what comic book movies are about. Also cheese is a requirement for any comic book movie and there were only one or two lines that I think were too cheesy.
Jennifer Garner looked freaky with green eyes but still mighty fine.
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 11:22pm
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Jennifer Garner was the best thing in it. If you look earlier I wrote that the film became less interesting around the Elektra/Bullseye fight. That's also around the same time that people walked out. If you've seen the film, you'll understand why interest went down hill around there.
Posted: Sat, 15th Feb 2003, 11:46pm
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i saw it yesterday and i thought it was good. just thought you would want to know
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 12:31pm
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no_hole wrote:i saw it yesterday and i thought it was good. just thought you would want to know
, i dno why, but that was the funest thing ive read this morning.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 3:06pm
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I don't understand why you'd walk out of the cinema during this film. It's just my opinion, but I love it to bits.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 3:14pm
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I really liked this films for many reasons. Personally i think this is the best character in the comic universe, he just seems the most realistic to me.
the scenes where he actually killed the guy in the subway and the way he stayed with elektra on the rooftop instead of going to save someone were scene that made this movie for me.
i think the thing that hurt this film more than anything is the fact that those involved were never sure if this film had a sequel in it whereas spiderman was always guarateed that option. Because of this a lot of storyline was rushed into it and perhaps it would have been better if they had kept some things like the kingpin finale for a sequel and just make Bullseye the main antagonist of the film. Colin Farrell was definately good enough for it.
I cannot wait for a sequel which is being written by Kevin Smith so it should be great
Personally i prefer this film to spiderman and x-men which are two films i love. It's currently my fav comic film along with the firtst blade.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 4:06pm
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Oh yeah, I thought that lab guy looked like him.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 4:11pm
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yeah that was kevin Smith
he used to write for the comic so they gave him a cameo and also he's good friends with affleck.
I think it came from Smith being on set that Mark Steven Johnston asked him to write the sequel.
Frank Miller and Stan Lee are both in there too
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 4:37pm
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Didn't spot Frank Miller (but, then, I have no idea what he looks like!).
I did see that Murdock's dad was fighting John Romita in his big boxing match, which was cool.
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 4:54pm
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i believe he was the guy with all the pencils stuck in him at kingpins office, tho don't quote me on that coz i may be wrong
Posted: Sun, 16th Feb 2003, 10:29pm
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well i havent seen it yet but i cant wait..
im not even going to compare DD with spiderman or x-men..
because they have nothing in common apart from having powers,
and from what ive heard its suposed to be quite catchy and inspiering
i am allready impressed and i havent even seen it yet..lol
anyway just thought i would let u know what i thought
Posted: Mon, 17th Feb 2003, 7:26am
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Personally I had no problem with the dark nature of the film, but I found that most of the fight scenes were slow...And no offense to the comic, things didn't make a whole lot of sense...The death's didnt make a whole lot of sense and the only reason I stayed in the theatre is because Colin Farrel kicks ass..The movie was so anti-climatic...You end the movie with this guy who has 98% muscle getting kicked in the knees...Anyone else see where I'm coming from?
Posted: Mon, 17th Feb 2003, 5:53pm
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Well, the weakest part of the body is at the joints. So, Daredevil went for Kingpins knees. Where else was he going to aim his punches? He tried punching him in the face and body but it didn't do much good. If it wasn't for the fact Daredevil smashed the water container and made it 'rain' Daredevil was dead meat. Kingpin is like 90% muscle.The deaths were important and are straight out of the comic book. Matt's dad had to die. Elektra had to die. Bullseye had to die. Although it's a slightly different death in the comic book. Err. I'm really suprised at the amount of people who dislike this film. I'm sure Elektra will make a comeback. There's a good chance she's not dead. Although it looks like she is, due to Daredevils ability to hear the heartbeat. And her's stopped beating.
The reason I think she will be back is because of the braile pendant at the end of the movie. Unless she put it there for Matt BEFORE she fought him on the rooftop.
Roll on May 2nd. X-men 2. Woo Hoo!
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Posted: Mon, 17th Feb 2003, 7:07pm
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bullseye had to die?
i don't think someone stayed through the credits and saw the extra scene
Posted: Mon, 17th Feb 2003, 7:49pm
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Bah I hate those, what happened at the end of the credits?
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:10pm
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Errr. Did you even SEE the film all the way through?? Dude, Daredevil threw him through a church window and on to a car below. He's dead.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:15pm
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He wasn't even dead when he was on the car, though. He was kind of vibrating in a "dear god that hurt" kind of way.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:18pm
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Yes well elektra had a sei stabbed right through her and her heart stopped beting but still she managed to have that necklace made and place on the rooftop.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:24pm
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at the end of the credits there was a scene with bullseye in hospital covered from head to toe in bandages like a mummy. There was this fly buzzing around him and he managers to get hold of a syringe and throws it across the room killing the fly. it fades out with bullseye laughing.
So he is very much alive
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:27pm
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Well in the comic book. Daredevil has Bullseye by the hand whils't he's hanging off the roof, it looks like he's going to save his life, but he think "Screw this. I'll let him fall" So I'm 99% sure Bullseye is DEAD! 'cos he's bloody dead in the comic.
Now can you dig that, SUCKA!! : Booker T. The Five time, five time, five time, five time, five time WCW champion.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:29pm
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So the whole thing about destroying his hands was completely pointless then? Riiight. So not only did Daredevil fail to properly deal with Kingpin, he also totally failed to deal with Bullseye. Good job there.
Venger - maybe now you'll see why I don't like this film. It just seems like a poor adaptation of the original comic. In fact, I'm going to go hunt down the original comic tomorrow to find out just how bad an adaptation it is.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:32pm
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Yeah well that isnt what happened in the film at all so it means nothing. He could still do that at a later date/in a later film.
He did properly deal with kingpin. He let the police bring him to justice rather than judge and execute him himself.
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Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:34pm
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Did that REALLY happen at the end credits? 'cos if it did, i'll go see it again and stay till the credits are up. I did hear a rumor that there was something after the credits finished, but I didn't stay. Oh well, any excuse to see it again.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 12:44pm
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Daredevil didn't kill the kingpin because it wasn't the right thing to do. Like he said "I'm not the bad guy" Also it would be pretty stupid if Daredevil hit Wilson Fisk about the head multiple times untill he was a bloody mess on the floor. Totaly destroy the marvel universe.
As for destroying Bullseyes hands, obviously Bullseye was more tough than Daredevil though. How was he to know that Bullseye wa still able to throw an object with deadly accuracy even after he had both hands peirced, it's also a christian reference. Church, hole through both hands. Get it? Bullseye didn't think it was possible for him to miss a target either did he, but he missed Daredevil more than once. Bullseye was temporeraly weakened as he couldn't hold on and save himself from falling to the street below.
The comic is available from all good comic book shops and some crap ones as well. You'll have to get more than 1 comic though as the film is based on more than one, Bullseyes death doesnt happen at the same time as Elektras death. Look for the graphic novels that contain a load of issues. I saw one Saturday in Forbiden Planet in Cardiif for £13.99. It's full colour, so no problems there. Thats your best bet, and most cost effective.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 3:21pm
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daredevil not killing kingpin is what is called a character arc. He learns the lesson that revenge and justice are two different things
Venger r u from cardiff?
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 3:50pm
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No, I'm not from Cardiff. I live about 30 miles from it. I go there on Saturdays. Spend a bloody fortune usualy. Damn those shops and their deals on DVD movies 'Buy 3 for £30' Oh I must buy 6 of them.
Games, comic figures and a load of other stuff.
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Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 4:24pm
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it wouldn't let me delete it
venger: i'm from Swansea are u anywhere that side of cardiff?
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 4:27pm
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Well I got Cardiff one side and Swansea the other. I live nearer Bridgend, dunno if you know where that is. I live about 9 miles from Bridgend.
Swansea is about 23 miles or so away from me. Haven't been there in ages tho.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 6:10pm
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yeah i know Bridgend, i have to drive past the mcarthur glen shopping center on my way to uni in high wycombe
back onto DareDevil does anyone know how much money the film has made so far compared to its budget. Is it a hit or failure?
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 8:39pm
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Go on www.imdb.com
it'll tell u on there.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 9:21pm
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I actualy saw, Daredevil in the Odeon in McArthur Glen. The Cinema was practicaly empty. This had nothing to do with the qualityof the cinema or the quality of the film, it was because I saw the film while most people were at work, in the middle of the afternoon.
Posted: Tue, 18th Feb 2003, 11:11pm
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Apparently it didn't even get to #1 in the UK.
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 5:11am
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It made #1 in the US. It made roughly $47 million for the 3-day weekend (President's day). Which is the second highest for a Febuary release, after Hannibal. And this was lower than expected due to what's apparently one of the largest snowstorms in a long time (not that I'd know, I'm in the dessert).
I'm thinking a sequel is pretty much a sure bet, at this point. Which I'm cool with, 'cause I really like the movie. Seen it twice now.
I believe the budget was $60 million, add another $10 mil or so for advertising. So by next weekend, it'll be making profit, not counting overseas money. Then DVD, which since the director has said ther'll be a 25 minute longer version, they might be bastards and milk two releases on DVD. They've already been talking sequel, Electra spin-off, and possible TV series.
Looks like another Marvel franchise off to a decent start. DC (Warner Bros.) would get their act together. I'm still waiting for a great Batman flick.
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 3:45pm
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I don't care if it gets to #1 or not. Look at the music charts. Full of pop and dance crap. I listen to bands that NEVER get to #1. Papa Roach, Linkin Park, P.O.D, Limp Bizkt (Well 'Rollin' did get to #1) Deftones, Korn, etc. Chart positions have NOTHING to do with the quality of the film or music. You only have to look at the tripe thats there to prove that.
Just my opinion, but hey.
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Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 3:48pm
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heh cos those bands arn't just bandwagon nu metal at all!!
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 3:58pm
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I listen to bands that NEVER get to #1. Papa Roach, Linkin Park, P.O.D, Limp Bizkt
An odd statement, given that Linkin Park had the highest selling album of 2001, and every Limp Bizkit album has hit no. 1.
Too bad Papa Roach is fading away. Their second album rocked.
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 7:03pm
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Oh I was refering to the SINGLES charts. Papa Roach 'Infest' album is far superior in my opinion to their second album. I prefer the heavier stuff.
Yeah the albums do better than the singles. But the charts are dominated by stuff like sugagbabes, Britney Spears, N-Sync and the like.
Ocasionaly we see some cool stuff, but it's such a shame that great bands (or should I say "Great bands in my opinion") don't seem to get as much airplay as other artists.
Thank goodness for Kerrang TV channel.
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 8:12pm
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Nu Metal is sooo overplade thease days, u wana get some good old punk inta ya... and ime not talkin about bloody Blink 182....thay aint punk man.
Posted: Wed, 19th Feb 2003, 8:52pm
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Limp Bizkit is absolutely horrible. They sold out the rock world...And if you listen to parts from their new cd...The lyrics are the worst I have ever heard, and thats a lot, saying that this same guy wrote a song called "Nookie." Give me a break! Talk about bands that won't be heard..Talk about Tool and the like...Please, don't disgrace rock.
Posted: Thu, 20th Feb 2003, 3:11pm
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Nah, I don't like punk. Besides. Each to his/her own.
I was just voicing an opinion, not posting fact.
I like 1 song by Blink 182 and thats 'Stay together for the kids' All their other songs just didn't do it for me. I need to feel the music and dig the lyrics. As for 'Nookie' by Limp Bizkit, the lyrical content does have a significant meaning, but you'd have to be a Bizkit fan to know that. I don't want to get drawn out into some big discussion on what bands ae cool and what bands suck. This is a Daredevil topic afterall. But I think we have exhausted the subject.
Posted: Wed, 26th Feb 2003, 3:24pm
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i just saw dd it was the bigest rip of ove so mabny films. its shit dont c it.
oly good bit.... kevin smiths cameo
Posted: Wed, 26th Feb 2003, 3:28pm
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turbanator wrote:i just saw dd it was the bigest rip of ove so mabny films. its poo dont c it.
oly good bit.... kevin smiths cameo
Oh. But I thought you said it was going to be reallllyyy good.
Hah! Listen to me in future.
Posted: Wed, 26th Feb 2003, 3:46pm
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Well, in some news to delight all of you who hated the movie
, both the sequel and Elektra spin-off were officially greenlighted today, according to Hollywood trades.
Posted: Wed, 26th Feb 2003, 4:05pm
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I want to say something..I (muffle, muffle muffle) I must resist.....Must stop posting...Must stop defending this film...Must..............................ARGH!!
Posted: Thu, 27th Feb 2003, 2:42pm
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Hey Venger, don't sweat it. There are people who hated this film and there are those who enjoyed it. I enjoyed the movie but will not try alter others opinions of it. Greyo actually mentioned the same two moments in the film that I loved.
Also, since it was never comfimed (not that I saw in this thread, anyway) I can verify that there is a scene with Bullseye in the hospital after about a minute or two of credits.
Posted: Thu, 27th Feb 2003, 2:55pm
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Me and all my mates ran out of the cinema as quick as we could at the end which is why we missed it
Posted: Thu, 27th Feb 2003, 3:09pm
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Posted: Sat, 1st Mar 2003, 4:28pm
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The scene half way through the credits is one of the best in it. You never know a sequel might be quite good however, (spoilers herein) if it's only Ben Affleck with no Jenniffer Garner, it could be even worse.
I think if they made it more like a dark version of "Spiderman" than a version of... well... "Daredevil". It could work.
I've seen it twice now and where "The Big Lebowski" and "Die Another Day" improved the 2nd time round. This one seems to get worse. I'm beginning to dislike it.