STOO-PID plugin requests!!!!
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 8:21pm
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I'm so bloody sick to death with people asking for plugins of PEOPLE!!! ENOUGH OF THIS, YOU FAT LAZY BLOWHOLES!!!
Stop asking people to do your work for you, you morons! if you want a plugin of an agent dodging, put someone in a suit, and do the effects work for it yourself! If you don't know how to do it, then learn how to do it! If you can't learn, or just plain don't feel like it, then you don't deserve to have a shot like that in the first place!!!
If you want a cannibal running around, then put on a grass skirt, string some plastic skulls around your neck and running around screaming! don't use a fricking plugin!!!!! Now honestly, what SERIOUS
filmmaker cares that others think he's off his rocker?
As for stormtroopers, I know, I've heard all the arguements :
"But, Ice_Man, I can't afford to buy costumes, so I need to use a plugin"
"I don't know anyone with a stormtrooper costume that I can borrow"
"I'm too dumb to figure out how to use a REAL 3D animation program, so that I can set proper lighting levels, and place my digital troopers properly so that they realistically interact with the environment, and don't look like crap"
TOUGH! If you use 3D plugins of people, it's going to look FAKE. Like CRAP. BAD. and any other way of describing it that you can think of. and if you ask me, time spent on an effect THAT bad, should be time spent on learning how to do it for real. If you ABSOLUTELY can NOT have a real person, then use a REAL 3D program. If you have serious deadline issues, that collaborate with someone who already knows how to use a 3D program.
*heaves a sigh of relief*
Okay, that's all. I'm done with my rant, and I'll step off my soapbox now.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 9:38pm
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so true...so true.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 9:40pm
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TELL ME ABOUT IT
In fact I think I was the one who people got really pissed off at for saying the same thing you did a while ago.
Some unamed person wanted me to make a black arrow plugin. WHAT GIVES?????
And the bad part is that we cant stop people from asking for these plugins.
And what's up with these 3D plugins? Seriously?
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 9:46pm
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Regardless of what you say, I don't believe it's wrong to ask for plug-ins of any type.
I do agree that some plug-in requests sound silly but if a plug-in maker
wants to tackle it then go for it.
It's not wrong to ask.
Anyway, I've read your opinion now this is mine...
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 9:47pm
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While I agree on many levels, some of us do not have high quality, expensive 3D programs.
And you guys aren't even the ones making those plugins so let people ask for whatever plugins they want. If someone is kind enough to make it, then yay for them. If not, then the person asking can just move on. I think it's important to not cut people's heads off when they are asking for something they are unable to do. True they may be lazy, but if someone is willing to make it for them, then why stop them?
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 10:47pm
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Very True - BUT if you want a cool scene, and don't have the resources to do it, then you CAN'T DO IT. You NEED to rethink the scene as opposed to making a crappy half-arsed version. That's what people are thinking - that they can "achieve their dreams."
Take a look at The MaTRIX ARE FOR KIDS. We tryed to do a lot of crap, and it totally blew.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 11:23pm
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Yeah, Mecha is right...
But you can achieve your dreams... just sometimes you have to slightly change them...
This is natural due the way AlamDV works. You will always have people asking for stupid plugins. Not because they were idiots or so, but simply because they are new to SFX and don't know what they CAN do and what the simply CAN'T. Or simply what makes sense and what doesn't.
But I agree that there is hardly a point in discussing with them and explain them, because in the time you need to tell one what SFX are about, five new will come...
Still, I think you should keep friendly. And if anyone asks something you think is stupid, don't write something angry or disrespectful, just write nothing and leave the space for people who are willing to do stupid plugins. Because there are such people too.
Posted: Mon, 3rd Mar 2003, 11:31pm
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thats when alamdv turns into a cheap sub for a 3d program...instead of making a plug, why not just send the guy the animate dmovie over a blue back....theyll get the same thing......
alam is something to enhance a scene...not to make it
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 12:11am
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And you know what? I've asked for a realistic bullet hit many times...
And someone hops in asking for a yoda plug-in and BAM! there it is. Where's that REALISTIC BULLET HIT!?!
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 12:27am
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I agree that you should always use real people if at all possible (the far, far majority of the time it is, although it might not be easy), and that 3d work should ideally be left to a 3D program.
However, of all the seemingly silly plug-in requests I have seen, for people and vehicles and 3D renders of god-knows-what, out of all the requests that were filled (which is quite a lot), I don't ever recall anyone complaining about the fact that it looked like crap when they put it in their movie. So apparently it was just what they wanted.
It would be one thing if people were requesting plug-ins of this sort, then complaining that they don't look good, but if they are happy with the poor composites that they must be ending up with (no offence to any of the plug-in makers out there), then I guess we might as well let them be.
If someone is happy to fill the request, and the requestor is happy with the result, then it is a win-win situation. Those of us who are looking for a more professional result will continue to use the methods we prefer in order to get better quality effects, but apparently not everyone is after that. Some people just want to plop easy effects into point-and-shoot footage that they shot with no prep time, and have some fun doing it. Let them. Having fun is what it is all about. If they stick with it, it won't take them long to realize that there is a better way of doing things.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 12:35am
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Tell me, compare the number of 3d plug-ins to the number of movies containing them.
How many of these people actually used the plug-ins they requested?
I understand that if a plug-in maker wants to make a certain plug-in, there's no stopping them...It's just that no one else really has a use for the 3d plugins requested by certain people. It would be nice if plug-in makers spent less time on the plug-ins that just use up server space, and more time on useful, realistic ones for all of us.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 4:40am
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initially I posted to voice an opinion (duh
) and get something off my chest that had been bugging me for a while. . . but I see that this is a topic that people have mixed feelings over. . .
rmendoza - I never said it was wrong to ask for plugins. But I do think that people need to think long and hard about whether they can do it themselves or not before they ask for an AlamDV plugin
sfbmovieco - so not all of you have high quality expensive 3D programs. there ARE free 3D programs out there.
hoo-ray for the plugin makers. whoopie.
True they may be lazy, but if someone is willing to make it for them, then why stop them?
because they don't learn anything new when some yahoo makes a simple plugin for them.
mecha - you and I don't often see eye to eye, but it seems we've found some common ground.
sollthar - excellent way of putting it. . . dreams are just that. dreams. something that we WANT to do, not something that MUST be done. dreams are a fluid substance, prone to change as the situation arises. let them flow, don't try to congeal them
magic_man - that's exactly what I'm saying! if you have no knowledge of 3D programs, then work with someone who does! send them the raw footage, and explain in GREAT detail what you would like done. then they can make a truly worth while effect. . .
axeman - of course people don't complain, they don't want to look like even bigger idiots than they already were for requesting gay plugins to begin with. if the plugin I requested didn't work, I wouldn't be prone to publicly announcing it anyway. . . I'd email or pm the person who made it, I wouldn't post a topic about it. . .
yeah it's all about fun, but if that's the case, then they need to stop putting their little home shot, unplanned pieces of rubbish into the Alam cinema. . .
sidewinder - excellent points. out of curiousity, what materials for bullet hits were you looking for? wood? metal? ground (dirt, grass, etc.)?
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 6:54am
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I have a fresh subscription to AlamDV and I love it. You guys are awesome in all the comentary and help posted everywhere. My roommate and I were very excited about the effects we could add for cheap finally, but I've had to do some toning down with my buddy. He wants to spend days drawing and animating a glimpse of an alien we were going to use in this one short we are working on. I've had to try to keep him grounded with the fact that all these effects are good and well, but only by doing nothing but effects, or only using them in brief moments in which the viewers would never have known the difference- yet it was somehow enhancing the movie. One thing I don't like to do is spend days on things that may only get 10 frames of movie time. I've been doing some trial and error on making my own plugins, but it would be nice if there was a step by step on more complex things like transparency and rotations and such. I'm still very new to the whole effect thing, but I hope to learn how to use AlamDV, chromometer, and any other programs that may blend into the movies we make. I don't have 1000 dollars unfortunately. Unless someone wants to buy my Windows machine for 2 grand.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 7:49am
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All good points.
I do think that people ask for things they should try themselves (any people plugins just won't work, the best i've seen is Golum )
But someone above is right, when people come here for the first time they see all these wonderful things that they could never dream of before, lightning, light sabres etc, and i think they get carried away.
There is too many variations when making 3d plugins for people, what angle, lighting, what movement.
I agree with someone above, be nice to them as they maybe new here but also tell them that it's best to try it themsleves.
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 7:47pm
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DA DU DA DU DA DU DA DU U POOOOOOO!!!!! Hmm there is a little forum called plugin requests. In order for peeps to make plugins they will need to buy an extra program to make them. Maybe they cant afford another one. I do agree wiht you peeps on the agent dodging though. They could just take someone and dress them up. But if u want a fantasy effect such as a fireball of an ghost that might be too hard for them. I know ive been here for a while and dont knbow how to make effects. I tried for a few days with the photoshow i dl'ed(yes u can dl any program u want but its illegal except if u bought it) and tried to make effects. I gave up. I could of figured it out if i tried longer. Im just lazy. So im going to buy lightwave. I always wanted a 3d program. I think it will be more interesting to work with. Even though its harder i just dont like any of the adobe products. I think people should request a plugin if there is no way they can do it. Yes i thank sollthar and B4 for sticking up for the yound movie makers. Its not there problem. THERE NEW! as were all of us at one point. I bet u requested plugins. So Heh Heh "take a chill pill"!!!!
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 7:57pm
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wow. no really, I mean WOW. The pure genius and coherence of what Anita just said absolutely astounds me.
and yes, that WAS sarcasm.
you need to read a little bit before you open your mouth. I wasn't knocking any plugin requests, just those involving humans. if you request a plugin of a person, you're dumb. if you request a plugin of a fire breathing dragon, I can understand that. if you ask for a plugin of magical fire effects, or anything of that nature I can understand that too. . . but when you ask for plugins of PEOPLE, then I can't excuse that, that's just ridiculous.
anita, check my profile, and read ALL of my posts before you tell me to take a 'chill pill' for requesting plugins. I've NEVER asked anyone to do my work for me. if there's an effect that I need that hasn't ALREADY been made, then I do it myself. and I'm very proud of that.
on a side note, what the heck was up with that da du da du thing at the beginning of your post? are you high, drunk, or both?
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 11:19pm
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this is going nowhere...
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 11:33pm
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That reminds me...
I need a black screen for a title... could someone macke a black screen plugin? You know, just pure black?
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 11:52pm
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HA! nice, sollthar! +1!
Posted: Tue, 4th Mar 2003, 11:57pm
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I only ever requet plugins if they will help me and offer something new to the plug-in directory that isn't already there. Like HUD's
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 12:20am
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does any one know of any cheap 3d programs
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 12:32am
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blender 3d is free
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 12:45am
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You know what? We should make a "staying on topic" training for all AlamDV users too...
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 2:36am
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Whats that Sollthar?
Who likes Arsenal?
Yeah though. Good idea about the 'HOW TO STAY ON TOPIC'
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 3:21am
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er-no wrote:Whats that Sollthar?
Who likes Arsenal?
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 5:12am
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BTW I need a plugin of a guy or girl making a plugin of a guy in a black suit
I could not resist.
Last but no least. I am glad you guys dont MOD the plugins page. The sucker would be almost empty
As far as Stormtroopers go. Get an Starwars action figure and play with "forced perspective." Of course that would only be usefull for non-moving storm troopers.
Think out of the box or even old school live effects for some things. Want a cool landscape? Get a cool picture paste it to a piece of glass. Place the glass matte in front of your camera's view.Play with the lighting and then cut the piture to expose your live elements through the glass in front of the camera.
Solithar flipped a truck, and everyone went nuts about what program he used. He then probably chuckled to himself and said, "Silly Mortals... Tis only a toy truck on a stick close to the camera."
My two cents
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 3:13pm
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Well said Anita!
btw, I need to buy some chill pills for work
Posted: Wed, 5th Mar 2003, 11:01pm
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as soon as i buy alam dv 3 and get force points i will give some to you
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2003, 5:55am
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By the way guys sorry to break up this wonderful post. But can any of you guys make a plug-in of a 20 foot scorpion fighting Godzilla in the most elaborate battle scene ever. Oh and at the end could you have them fall on a bunch of Dole pineapple boxes. Thanks you guys all rock.
Posted: Thu, 6th Mar 2003, 9:40pm
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I will give it a try
Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2003, 2:05pm
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Bob Page wrote:I will give it a try
Man, you guess kill me!
Posted: Fri, 7th Mar 2003, 9:01pm
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Thanks. Oh and can I get that plug-in by yesterday cuz it has nothing to do with my movie and I prolly won't even use it.
Posted: Sun, 16th Mar 2003, 10:19pm
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IceMan is right, some people do request plugins of 3D people, when using real people would be easier. Excuse me, did i say "people", I meant "peeps". I guess I should not have taken all those "chill pills". Do you take the "red ones" or the "blue ones"? Da Du Da DU hellllllpppp meeee.
Posted: Mon, 17th Mar 2003, 9:06pm
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ask not what alamdv plugins can do for you but what you can do for alamdv plugins...
ok...yeah dont bicker about other people doing the work. They also have a life.