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Posted: Sat, 15th Mar 2003, 4:50pm

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What is the best, most professional DVD authoring software out there?
Posted: Sat, 15th Mar 2003, 4:57pm

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DVD Studio Pro. Unfortunately, it looks like you're running a windows based system, so that's out of the picture for you. You might want to try the soft. that comes with Adobe Premiere 6.5. The name has escaped me at the moment, but from what I understand it's pretty decent.
Posted: Sat, 15th Mar 2003, 5:02pm

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Yeah...okay...corection...

What is the best DVD authoring software out there for Windows?
Posted: Sat, 15th Mar 2003, 6:33pm

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Hi there
Sonic DVDit is a pretty good authoring program. You can do alot with it and its pretty easy to learn. Sonic ReelDVD is a more professional package (allows ac3 audio encoding and also motion menue's), but is also alot more money. You should check out their website at www.sonic.com
Hope this helps.
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Posted: Sun, 16th Mar 2003, 4:53am

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I'd go with Sonic DVD Producer. Simple to use, yet packs all the functionality required to make nifty DVDs smile
Posted: Tue, 18th Mar 2003, 12:10am

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Okay, and while we're on the topic...

What is the best DVD or MPEG-2 encoder or codec to use? What is the most professional or professional standard?
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 1:06am

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I'm interested in know what as well as i just got a DVD burner and am looking into getting my stuff on dvd.

whats the best, non-expensive authoring program for windows? (ie, doesn't cost $10010101
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 1:46am

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I dont know what it costs (im assuming alot) but Adobe Encore DVD is AWESOME

To make a menu - you can use photoshop - then import the photoshop project and change individual layers (such as cool text you make) into buttons to link to another menu or to a movie.

With this program i beleive you can do ANYTHING you see in a "real" DVD (like the video transitions to another menu)

does take HOURS to learn tho

-MAGIC
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 2:09am

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I'm assuming that you've used this program (at sheridan?). Ya, Adobe stuff costs lots and i doubt my school will have an educational license for it ;/
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 6:24am

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For DVD authoring try DVD-Lab:
www.mediachance.com
It's pretty good, and doesn't cost alot.
Try DVD-Lab Pro if you're a DVD freak smile

For compression of footage to MPEG2:
www.mainconcept.com

I've used both of these products and can say that they do a nice job. You can also try Tsunami Encoder and DVD authoring program:
http://www.pegasys-inc.com/en/index.html
The encoder is pretty good. The Authoring software I haven't tried.

All of the above programs have a Full 30-day trial (except Mainconcept, they use a watermark+unlimited trials.)

Now as for what I use: ReelDVD, DVD-Lab, Tsunami Encoder, SoftEncode, Photoshop. I've basically stopped using ReelDVD, only use it for the big jobs, and even then I use DVD-LAb for the menu layout and basic design. Tsunami for the MPEG1/2 compression, Photoshop for some of the "odder" menu designs, and SoftEncode for Dolby Digital.
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 10:21am

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Encore DVD was the wierdest program ive tried by Adobe, it didn't make much sens, but when you get into it its prolly cool! Sonics programs are easy to use and can do pretty good stuff...
Posted: Sat, 13th Dec 2003, 11:30am

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It really depends on what you want to do...

Very basic.. I.E. Menu, Scene Selections, Movie..

Ulead DVD Workshop, Or Sonic DVDit are perfectly acceptable and not prticularly expensive

Bit more advanced..I.E. first play video, menus, movie, subtitle track, alternative audio track..

Pinnacle Impression SE will work for you

Almost Pro. I.E. First Play Video, Motion Menus, between menu segues, movie, multiple soundtracks, multiple angles, hidden extras etc...

then starting at the cheapest (All cost is relative anyway) and incidentally, these also go in terms of complexity, easiest to highest learning curve..

1)Pinnacle Impression Full (What I use, easy to understand)
2)Adobe Encore (I have played a little with the demo version, it seems okay, but I have yet to get fully to grips with this)
3)Sonic Scenarist (I once had a "dodgy" copy of this, it is very very comprehensive, but very very difficult to use)

I would give you a recommendation but I dont know exactly what you want to achieve and how much budget you have..
Posted: Sun, 14th Dec 2003, 3:54pm

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If you capture as DV then can you edit/add AlamDV3 then output as Mpeg2 for DVD? I've heard that it doesn't look very good. That AlamDV is for AVI only.
Posted: Sun, 14th Dec 2003, 5:00pm

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I want to create a DVD with an animated menu. I don't really care for animated segments between sub menus...just so that the menu can be animated. I'm guessing to achieve this i'd have to animate how i want it to look (say in After Effects) and then import into the project? and then just overlay the links? Is that how it works? I think i can get an older copy of adobe encore from my school...would that be able to do it?
Posted: Sun, 14th Dec 2003, 5:31pm

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What most people view as an "animated menu" isnt really that..

What it normally is, is a short MPEG2 movie with buttons layered over it, so what you really want is "motion menu's" and yes, encore will do this for you, if you dont have access to it, or the cash for it, then ULEAD's DVD Workshop wil do motion menus and is incredibly easy to use...

If you want something much more in depth, then the top-end progs like Pinnacle Impression, Adobe Encore and Sonic Scenarist usually work like this..

You create a menu in Photoshop with a Background Layer, a Special Layer for transparency and button effects, and an array of individual layers for your buttons in various states (Over, Activated, Normal) You can then import this .PSD file into your chosen program and replace the background layer with your MPEG2 Segment
Posted: Sun, 14th Dec 2003, 6:49pm

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I used Adobe Encore DVD this weekend and found the learning curve really easy. If you've ever tried to make a VCD with some of programs listed VCDhelp.com, you shouldn't have trouble grasping Adobe Encore, or any other DVD authoring software probably.
Posted: Tue, 16th Dec 2003, 11:38pm

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What about compression for the files to be used? I'm using Encore DVD and when playing its all interlaced and ugly...would this be fixed on a tv screen? I tried the transcode settings..didn't really notice any difference.

I need help in respect to this cuz i got the rest figured out and i need to make a dvd of somethign quick.

thanks in advance!
Posted: Wed, 17th Dec 2003, 5:56pm

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I am using encore right now for a big project about an hour and a half. It is great compared to many DVD authoring programs. But it does have some bugs to. Most have work arounds. As far as the video. I ran into the same problem and I had to make changes in Premiere. Make sure your video is interlaced. De-interlaced is for pc use.

Riese
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2003, 6:36am

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what about compression wise for mpeg2...there's no way that premiere can be good for it...compression is one of premiere's big weaknesses.
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2003, 10:14am

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Actually, Adobe seem to have got the compression right with 6.5 and above to MPEG2. I managed to get the video from our recent field hockey lads tour to Rotterdam onto a 4.7gb DVD and it totals about and hour and a half.

Unlike all the AVI codecs that you can use, I think MPEG2 is pretty much a standard.
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2003, 3:30pm

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i have premiere 6.0...is there an option to encode as mpeg2? i'm not at home so i cant check...but what settings do you suggest for exporting an hour long segment?
Posted: Fri, 19th Dec 2003, 4:56am

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I made my first dvd today to try it all out...and when playing on a computer monitor...its all interlaced...on a tv, its fine. how do i make it fine for both?

what i did was just use a typical DV avi file and put into encore. then transcoded to progressive high quality, 2-pass and burned the dvd. maybe i'm doing something wrong or there is some option i can select?

please help.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 7:07pm

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You can't make it for both. TVs are interlaced. Computers are progressive. You can't have it both ways.

Just for the record: Adobe didn't create the technology in Premiere 6.5 (and later) for MPEG2 compression. Adobe licensed the technology from Mainconcept (www.mainconcept.com) a german-based company.

Good move by Adobe though.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 7:10pm

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alright - but how do commercial dvd's work fine on both?
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 7:26pm

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I've never seen a commercial DVD look good on a computer (compared to a TV that is.) However, usually the software being used to playback the DVD on the computer can/will help smooth out the interlacing problems that you see. PowerDVD 4 seems to work pretty good (I haven't gotten ver 5 yet, so I don't know how well it fares.) What software are you using to view the DVD on your computer? Have you tried messing with the various image/video/decoding settings in the DVD software that you use?

As for commercial DVDs...I've heard various things..but...
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 7:49pm

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Cypher wrote:

alright - but how do commercial dvd's work fine on both?
Cypher, how big is your screen? Maybe you can't see it! A commercial DVD WILL ALWAYS be interlaced on a computer screen! Even if only slightly, it WILL!!! I think I told you this before.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 8:22pm

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I have a 17" viewable lcd - and i was just watching bad boys 2 (car chase scene) where there is LOTS of motion - but i didn't see a single sign of interlacing.

amadeus: dvd's always look better on computers to me because the res is shrunk therefore is more exact than on my high def tv. my tv is 40" or 42", not sure. its a sony wega.

but i have NEVER seen any interlacing on commercial dvd's. and i use powerdvd (not sure which version) for playing both commercial and personal dvd's.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 8:35pm

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Cypher wrote:

I have a 17" viewable lcd - and i was just watching bad boys 2 (car chase scene) where there is LOTS of motion - but i didn't see a single sign of interlacing.

*snip*

but i have NEVER seen any interlacing on commercial dvd's. and i use powerdvd (not sure which version) for playing both commercial and personal dvd's.
That's because PowerDVD deinterlaces the video on the fly.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 8:37pm

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then why isn't it deinterlacing for my dvds - that's the problem! heh
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 1:01am

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Above you said you were rendering to progressive scan; try sticking with interlaced and see what happens.

Is the original video progressive scan or interlaced? If the original is interlaced, you won't be able to get away from the interlacing, though you can make it less obvious.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 4:47am

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Crawford is right. If you made a "TV viewable" DVD from progressive scan, your DVD will be interlaced on your computer. The fact that it is coming from a progressive scan source could be what confuses PowerDVD, although I don't know much about that software. And make sure your firelds are in the right order, that could also be the problem - even if PowerDVD deinterlaces on the fly, if the fields are in the wrong order, it won't help much and you'll still see interlaced video.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 5:00am

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How do I set the order? I only know of such a function (odd/even fields) in photoshop. lol

but the interlaced transcode seemed to work better.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 5:13am

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I THINK the default is lower-field-first. At least, that's what Vegas defaults to for new projects in NTSC.

Try rendering the same clip both ways (or even all three, including progressive) and see what looks best.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 7:43am

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If you do 720x480 NTSC (i.e. most DV footage), then it is lower/odd field first. If you do D1-NTSC (720x486) then it's upper/even field first. DVD's are 720x480 so you your footage should already be 720x480 Lower field first. If you do D1 then you need to crop 2 lines from the top and 4 lines from the bottom. Then compress your footage to MPEG2.

If you try to rip a commercial DVD with DVD2AVI and enable the transcoding viewing options, you'll see as the DVD is being ripped that some frames are field inverted, some are progressive, and I think a couple other types (like half-field only.) This is what can account for Commercial DVDs looking better then their non-commercial counterparts.

When you have fielded video (and this can really happen when you go from Progressive to Field, and REALLY REALLY happen when you change frame rates) you can get "motion artifacts." Encoding video in different ways can help get rid of this. That's why you see those different types of frames when ripping a commercail DVD.

What editing program do you use? If Premiere then you goto Project settings, and under the general and/or Video tab you should be able to set yuor fielding to lower/odd.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 3:17pm

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Hi.

I had the same problem with interlacing. But after doing a few changes, things look good on the computer-dvd and also the tv-dvd. What I am about to tell you, may not be exactly what you need. But perhaps it will help to show the process a bit more.

1. I use VegasVideo4. When I capture footage on a StudioDC10+ card, I put it into Vegas and set "progressive" for the project. I leave the footage interlaced.
2. However, the footage on the timeline is set as "lower-field first".
3. When I render using the Mainconcept MPG2 codec for dvd, I set the field to match the footage on the timeline, i.e. "lower-field"

When I create a dvd from the rendered video, it looks good on both my PC's and TV's.
ALL footage that comes from my analog capture card is lower-field, it seems. I hear that it may be the same for DV. But I haven't had the chance to use DV. Hope that helps.

Adam.

P.S. DO NOT use deinterlace. It will look shoddy when playing through tv. If it's only for computer, then that's fine.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 5:56pm

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Amadeus0 wrote:

If you try to rip a commercial DVD with DVD2AVI and enable the transcoding viewing options, you'll see as the DVD is being ripped that some frames are field inverted, some are progressive, and I think a couple other types (like half-field only.) This is what can account for Commercial DVDs looking better then their non-commercial counterparts.
What you describe comes from the fact that commercial DVDs for the mmost part come from an original on film. Film being 24 photographs per seconds is like the "progressive" mode on cameras in terms of physical final result: an image. When you transfer film to NTSC, you need to upgrade 24 frames to 60 interlaced frames, which gives you 30 full frames, the NTSC rate (actually 29.97, but let's not get too complicated here for argument sake). That's why you have some progressive, some interlaced, and some half field... It comes with the telecine process which has to do a "pull up" to bring to film to 30fps.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 5:58pm

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Cypher wrote:

How do I set the order? I only know of such a function (odd/even fields) in photoshop. lol

but the interlaced transcode seemed to work better.
If your footageis DV, you need to be in lower/odd first mode.

Which editing software do you use? There should be a menu where you can set your fields. Usually in the render movie options.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 7:21pm

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I use Premiere 6.0 and I remember seeing a deinterlace tab in the special processing part when rendering. that's it.
Posted: Sun, 4th Jan 2004, 8:15pm

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Oh boy!

My last experience with premiere dates from 4.1 era... I guess I'm a dinosaur... There used to have a field choosing option in the render movie options in Premiere. I'll try to find a copy of 6.0 and have a look - there has to be something for you to choose your fields. If not, you can always do it in After Efects if the movie isn't too long.