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Assassin Chronicles - Rebirth

Posted: Tue, 8th Apr 2003, 4:19pm

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A violent portrayal of a drugs deal gone wrong, the scene is set when a local mafia boss decides to try to cheat a Triad gang out of their cocaine. As the triads lose face, the mafia boss loses his men.

Although there is no swearing in this movie, it does however contain scenes of blood splatterings as well as death. Not for the faint hearted!

This film is a remake of the original 'Assassin Chronicles Episode 1', which we shot back in October 2002. After numerous attempts at other films and completing other projects, we decided it would be fun to see how different we would make that first Episode with the experience that we had gained over the months.
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Posted: Tue, 8th Apr 2003, 8:42pm

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Eww.

Pointless violence gone bad. Don't take this personally, but just because you have matrix shades doesn't mean that it makes shooting random people cool. In fact, that topped with bad special effects makes something even worse.

2 stars because you have cool guns and nice suits.

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Posted: Tue, 8th Apr 2003, 10:10pm

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you guys are hoe old?

well the bad stuff was the effects could have been way better and the the script. u guy are to old for this
Posted: Tue, 8th Apr 2003, 10:17pm

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I totally agree with MechaForce!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 12:00am

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Actually, I disagree.

The directing was great, the costumes were great, the editing was well done, and the actors looked their part.

Unfortunately, things went downhill a little from there...

Your work isn't very polished. Its apparent that you need some more experience before everything moves flawlessly. Your fights needed work, and your gunplay had a few too many dramatic pauses by the actors. What you really should of done is cut the action quicker and used more stills as opposed to the actors freezing their movement.

The sound effects were great in some parts, poor in the others. I've looked everywhere for those sounds that accent camera movements, but I can't find them. If I could get them from you, either by you posting them on your site, or e-mailing them to me, I would be extremely grateful.

Also, I'm starting to realize how vital color correction is to movies. Even if you don't achieve the look of film, using some more extensive color correction could have helped greatly.

I recently submitted a movie here called Pharmacide. It's getting mixed reviews at the moment, but you can see a few of the things that I'm pointing out, such as color correction, and clean cuts. Also, your muzzle flashes needed a little work. In my opinion, even though I made the movie, I think the muzzle flashes looked quite nice. You might want to take a look.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 3:53am

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Considering this is one of the few that he's worked on so far, I have to say its pretty well done.

Sidewinder raised some good points AND offered them in a constructive way.

At any rate I'm VERY proud of Dominic, and every filmmaker has to start somewhere Right? I think He's had a VERY good start, AS I've been with him from the start, watching all his films.

I'm PROUD to have offered inspiration to this artist, and I can't wait to watch him on the big screen because this is his DREAM and He'll persue it to the end.

Even if some assholes tear him down because they have nothing better to do.

Good luck Dominic.

LU.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 5:08am

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I think if people actually paused so much during a gunfight, they would be able to work it out without guns.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 6:32am

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Nice one - I loved the Lock Stock style humour!

"LOOK WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ANIMAL!"

I noticed in the end credits a thankyou to the Met. Did you ask them for permission to use replica guns, or did they supply the coke?


All the best,
Neil / Pred
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 6:33am

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grendell

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wow...i do gunfights for a living 6 times a day...so it needed a little polish,so what? it was cool considering what you were working with....and where else in an action film do you get to see gratituous midget violence?lmao...way cool can't wait to see what else ya come up with. lol
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 8:57am

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Well done in general, although I agree with others about the way-too-frequent dramatic pauses and posturing, which at times were - dare I say it - quite embarassing smile

Nice outfits and props! biggrin
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 12:09pm

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A little to much, althought some nice editing, and some bad editing, som nice fithing and some bad.

good work, try to make it more, "Movie" next time. with some plot and stuff wink
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 4:13pm

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Starfish, are you calling mecha an asshole?
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 4:22pm

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Sorry guys.... you lost me when the wrestler want to be showed up. (In this corner we have "Mr. Expendable")
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 5:52pm

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Not you, the other guy who slagged him off for now reason...

I thought I made it clear that I thought it was nice that you were constructive =)
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 8:27pm

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Oh...Okay.

I thought you were possibly calling MechaForce an asshole because he disliked the movie. Nevermind.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 8:59pm

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Not that he didn't like it. It you can understand if he didn't like it. You can't please everyone after all.

What made me upset is that he slagged him off because he had nothing better to do, and wasn't constructive at all.

You were.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 9:56pm

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I haven't seen this movie but if it has lots of violence, shooting, slick suits and one of the most important ingredients to any film: violent triad gangsters. Then it'll get at least a 2 just for that. I can't wait to see it.
Posted: Wed, 9th Apr 2003, 11:55pm

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hey, i thought the movie was great! The two shaved head guys were intense and the triad guy had some good style in his fighting. I can only suggest that the "animal" was the lamest thing i've ever seen, the large fellow should have smiled less and there was alot of empty shots where the actors were just standing around. The editing was superb, the swish pans and slo-mo's were really professional looking. Lastly, the sound effects were perfect, but the audio was hard to understand.

Overall a good flick, 4 stars.

Love, ilykdp biggrin

P.S. the trench coats and sunglasses were kick-ass!
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 1:37am

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WOW....that wasn't so good.....everything Sidey said was good but I'd like to add something of my own...I've said it once and I'll say it again why did the black dudes have to die first and they didn't just die they were backstabbed by their own guys ....I take great offense to that J/K LOL lol confused and just know that you will get no more than a 2 from me, not for the black guys but because I thought your movie wasn't very good.

(P.S.: Midget Deaths don't count.....)

Canta mad
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 1:41am

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Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 1:45am

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Dude I'm not taking offense to that at all it was totally a joke...I don't care. I thought since I'm the "Token Black Guy" in this forum it was up to me to relate this movie some how to my race....Sorry if you didn't find that funny but I think it is comical that the black guys died first like in most horror movies.... Oh well....

P.S.: I gave this movie a 3, cuz I was entertained. The action wasn't as fast as I would have liked and the editing was somewhat flawed. BTW what did the title have to do with the movie at all... I didn't see one assassin in the entire movie. It should have been called drug deals gone bad /w midgets.

Canta mad
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 2:08am

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Oops...heh heh. Didn't detect that sarcasm there...

That's sad that something like that would be considered serious in this day and age.

Many pardons. I don't notice things like "JK/LOL lol razz lol !!1!!!" anymore...
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 7:24am

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Yeah after it was pointed out some years back that in a horror film, the black guy dies first, in an action film the black cop/gangster/soldier gets it in the neck almost straight away, you'd think people'd stop using it.

I thought that this film was really good, too many pauses and not all of the shots where that good, however that tall dude in the coat was badddd!!!!
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 6:27pm

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Well, it seems as though this film has raised a few issues and is contraversial, to say the least.

First off, we're still -very- new to editing and filming, and I think I mentioned somewhere before we've only been doing this for a few months, not even a year yet, so please forgive if I haven't properly color-corrected the film, nor thought about framing or other such details. I realise that this is important to a film in order to produce professional results.

But.

We're not professionals.

We don't claim to be.

We're a bunch of lads who thought it'd be a great laugh to go out one night and make a film, and have a right good old go at it. We did so. And we can honestly say, it was one of the best experiences we've all had, and one of the worst. It was exhausting, hard and time-consuming. We started at 8 in the night and didn't finish until 3 in the morning. I'm sure you can imagine, we were all very, very ready to go home!

All in all, we simply made a film for people to switch themselves off when they watched it. That's it. Just to enjoy a short flick with some action and some laughs. Nothing more. Don't get me wrong; I'm taking it seriously, but one step at a time. Kahlly was right; You can't please everyone and although Mechaforce told me not to take his opinion personally, I think he doesn't understand that that's pretty difficult. I mean, the film wasn't business, it was personal. It was something I had dreampt up in my bedroom. Maybe some constructive comments would've helped, but enough said about that.

Now, as for those who DID like the film, we've got more where that came from. We all work in a shop (including the midget, too) and we regluarly make two-to-three minute films on the fly. If you're interested, I can upload them onto the net but be warned; they're not color corrected. The humour was completely intentional. The killingthe black guys thing was definitely intentional. Where we're from and from our circle of friends, race and racism ISN'T an issue, so therefore we could do anything we wanted with them. Firstly, it was THEIR idea and we thought it'd be a brilliant in-joke to have them killed first so that when they showed it to their friends, they could apply the logic of film that, 'the black guy dies first'. We just went one better and had both of them killed. By their own sides. lol

But seriously though, although a lot of people may think that this film was 'Matrix inspired', it wasn't. I've seen that long jacket, sunglasses and double-gun thing done A LOT of times before the Matrix hit those reels. Two words.

John. Woo.

HE was my inspiration. See? Nobody's original. The Wachowski brothers borrowed a lot of ideas from other films they've seen and they gladly admit to it, and so do we. I borrowed stuff from The Killer, Hard Boiled as well as Lock Stock, Face/Off, and even from video games such as Devil May Cry! It's a cauldron of ideas that are thrown together.

Either way, we really enjoyed making it and even though some people didn't like it, we're going to keep our heads up, take a deep breath and give it another shot. : wink

VIVE la MIDGETS!!!

-Domster

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Grendell - lol Thanks man. It's really encouraging to receive good praise from you. Gratuituous midget violence -- one of our fave things to do and trust me, it's not the first time we've done it. lol (We've made a film called 'Beatings'. I'll leave the rest to your imagination. lol)

Blaine - We're not too old for this. In fact, I was playing with my rattle while they were setting up scenes. So neh.

Sidewinder - Allow me to mention; This film had literally NO PRIOR planning. We work five days a week, nine until half past six. We don't want to sit there after work discussing a film. We wanna sit down, have a bath and relax. So there was no planning. None at all. Everything was shot on the fly. We made everything up as we went along. The fight scenes. The gunplay. The camera shots. The story. Everything. The only thing we had going for us was that we made something like it about four, five months ago. Muzzleflashes and special effects I deliberately did NOT spend much time on. The emphasis was on the atmosphere, not the special effects. I didn't deem them a major part of the movie.

Predinator - Thanks for your feedback. smile Yeah! We had to mention the MET in there. Seargeant Wilmott Dixon of Wood Green police gave us advice on how to shoot a film with the use of waving guns about and was very helpful in our enquiries, giving us specific information as to what to do if a member of public appears etc. And no! They didn't supply the coke. The 'coke' was in fact icing sugar. lol We never, ever mentioned it was cocaine in the film though; We're all getting killed for icing sugar. lol That was another in-joke!

ilykdp - Yeah, I thought so too oddly enough. During post production (post production being me sitting there in a vest and boxers eating a cold pizza and drinking Ribena while clicking on my mouse lazily every now and then lol) I did think there were one too many time when we were posing and not fighting. Ah well, know for next time, eh? The sound effects I worked on especially, as I think sound is an intergral part of any film. I didn't just download them off the net; I made them myself over the course of a week before filming. The songs were meant to be in the background, not there to listen to! Well, I'll know for next time to spend more time adjusting my volume levels. Thanks for the good will on the panning, slo-mos and swishes. I took all that from John Woo. lol He's a real inspiration to me, and I can only say that in future, we're going to see a lot more of that. As for Animal!!! How could you not like the midget?! lol Ah well, I'll send him around your house so you can get to know him better, eh? biggrin

Two-Gunned-Saint - Cool name. wink That tall guy in the coat? Yeeeeeah baby. That was me. lol As I said before, I know there were too many pauses, and too many long shots, but we know for next time. It's down to planning really, and for this film, there wasn't much of it at all. It was near enough completely spontaneous. Anyway, thanks for the feedback!

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Thanks to all who posted and replied and sorry to those who I didn't reply to for now, and all who rated the film. If you want more then keep an eye out on the site. If you have any questions, just gimme a shout.

-Dominic

midgetkicker@assassinchronicles.com
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 7:00pm

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oh, is there any way you can supply me/us with those kck ass sound fx?
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 7:02pm

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sidewinder wrote:

oh, is there any way you can supply me/us with those kck ass sound fx?
I second that motion wink
Posted: Thu, 10th Apr 2003, 10:44pm

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Those sound fx rock they remind me of a Baz Lehrman movie.

Canta mad
Posted: Fri, 11th Apr 2003, 5:30pm

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"I've seen that long jacket, sunglasses and double-gun thing done A LOT of times before the Matrix hit those reels. Two words.

John. Woo. "

Yeah man that's what I say. The trenchcoat, dark glasses, black suit, black tie, 2 guns, diving, flipping while blasting, throwing down empty guns and pulling out 2 more with slow motion bullets flying about. Was all done over a decade before "The Matrix" in the "A Better Tomorrow" films. Yet that's referred too as "The Matrix look". An outrage smile

I'm inspired by Woo as well, however I'm very careful to make sure I don't lift any ideas directly from them.

If that's your kind of film, you'll love my film. (if I ever get it made and it's any bleedin' good.)

Keep makin 'em this good.

I gave you 5 by the way.
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2003, 3:58pm

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Didn't really like this one. It was hard to watch.

I second my opinion on long pauses. Far too many times, I was thinking, "Why is nothing happening?". Better editing would've helped get rid of that stop/start feeling.

I liked the first set of muzzle flashes cause they really mixed well. After that, they started off down the hill.

The whole thing seemed very novice-like. I found that even more strange after reading your post on having done loads of shorts before this one.

The clothes were very cool looking. I think people think 'Matrix' because it's a very big film that shares that clothing look. Regardless if it was done years ago by other films. The Matrix is very fresh in the minds of everyone, right now.

I must commend you on your comments about soundfx. Definitely one of the first films on here to really use sound properly. Even more praise comes because you made your own! Excellent. That's how I do things.

I make my own and personalise the whole thing. It connects better with an audience. That way, there's never a moment that cheapens it when they hear something familiar. Like so many other films on here that over-use the same public-domain sounds, again and again. wink


So, overall it was good. But with better editing it could've been better. And some of the camera shots were very odd.

Adam.

P.S. I gave 3 stars.
Posted: Sat, 12th Apr 2003, 6:17pm

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Adam: He didn't say he'd done loads before. He said he'd done some but it was mostly just horsing around. This being his first SERIOUS attempt, and all choreography being left to the last minute, I'd say he'd done a pretty good job.
Posted: Sat, 19th Apr 2003, 3:45am

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This was an all right movie, but I noted some things that if changed, could have mabye added alittle:

1. The fights looked way to choreagraphed and so did the falls. If they were speed up a little they may have looked better. I know it's cheese but it looks good from some of the movies I've seen.

2. The sound effects were way over used and made all the fights look really cheezy. I thought the hits sounded excallenta but the swinging was way way way over used.

3. Whats with the little guy? He pops out of nowhere in a blue speedo and and tries to take on a bunch of mobsters with guns? WTF?!

4. I got a mix of "The Godfather", and "The Matrix" from this movie. I don't know if that's what you were going for but it did'nt work for me. I see mobsters as having more experiance with guns then Kung Fu.

Now a more positive note, the acting was good. I loved the different angles you guys were able to get. And the gun and blood fx were sweet twisted Over a it was a decent movie, and I look forward to seeing the other films that you will make in the future. I incourage you to check out some of my up coming videos as well. So, good work and keep um' comin'!
P.S: Sorry for any misspellings, I'm a bad speller redface