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Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 3:20am

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...just wondering if anyone has seen this and what they think about it.

I have just finished watching it downstairs and its now going into my top films of all times list. With films being released monthly that try and claim to take things to a new level. Equilibrium didn't make any claims or have huge name actors, it was made with a relatively low budget and it kicked serious behind in the action-thriller genre.

I must admit I was impressed. Excellent editing and soundtrack, and costume!

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Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 4:18am

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Is it out on DVD yet?? I really wanna see it, since I love the Orwellian Anti-Totalitarian movies. Ever seen Brazil? I have!
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 8:54am

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Yey, I've seen Brazil, loved it - wish Jonathan Pryce is in more films, he's such a good actor. Apparently the sky scenes in Brazil were cobbled together from The Neverending Story, because Terry Gilliam was having financial difficulties (doesn't he always?!) & Warner Brothers, the distributor, said here, you can use footage that was edited out of The Neverending Story.

I'll watch out for Equilibrium - I don't think it's out yet so...(cough cough)lol I just got THX 1138 yesterday, that's a similar themed film, I'm looking forward to watching it.

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THX 1138 is an interesting film. Quite hard to watch, but fascinating from a film history POV. I wouldn't mind knowing why George Lucas has obsessions with little people and exciting chases down narrow tunnel-type areas (THX tunnels, American Graffiti dragstrip race, Death Star trench...).

As for Equilibrium....bit of a mixed bag. The action I really, really enjoyed. They actually managed to make the gun-kata look feasible, which was impressive. A couple of action sequences were absolutely superb. I'm also a huge fan of Christian Bale - one of the top actors working today - which was the main reason I saw it. As ever, he was superb.

However, I felt several things let the film down. The effects were remarkably poor, being the most blatant use of CGI I've seen in a long time. Some shots were really quite appalling - one of the explosions near the end would have looked better if they'd used AlamDV! It was a shame, because the rest of the cinematography was very nice.

There were also a few logic problems which niggled me. A woman who has a room full of forbidden items, which are only accessible by smashing a thick brick wall down...got to wonder how she got the stuff in there in the first place. The two bad guys kept smiling or being otherwise emotional, which really should have given the game away.

Probably the main problem I had was having Sean Pertwee as Leader of the World. That just didn't work for me. Now, I think Sean is great - just take a look at Dog Soldiers - but the idea of the entire world following his word seemed a little far-fetched. smile

Very entertaining stuff though, and solidly made (other than the effects). Be interesting to see what the director does next, if he gets better material.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 12:47pm

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I saw it on the day it came out and again the day after. I thought it was one of my favourite films all aspects of it were excellent. The shootouts where quite possibly the best to come out of a hollywood studio. I'm gonna rent it when it comes out and the buy it. In answer to your question... yes I did like it.

Brazil was good too.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 1:29pm

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Poor Terry Gilliam...

"So the first thing I did was to take a full page ad out in Variety which was this blank page except for this black border and in the middle of it it said:

Dear Sid Sheinberg,
when are you going to
release my film 'BRAZIL'?

Terry Gilliam."
http://www.thur.de/~waps/brazil/ (Brazil FAQs)

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Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:23pm

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was Equilibrium just a UK release? 'cause I've heard no mention of it here. . . . it's not in our theatres, no trailers on tv. . . . nothin'.
then again, this is just michigan. . . perhaps it was released elsewhere in the U.S. . . .
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:29pm

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It was released in the UK about a month ago, and in the US about 4 months ago, I think. However, I believe in the US it didn't even make $1million, so you can understand why you never heard of it...
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:31pm

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aHA!

thanks, that would indeed explain why I've never heard about it.

ouch! only a mil?! that burns! how well'd it do over there?
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:37pm

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Not sure, not terribly well I should imagine. It was horrendously mis-marketed - certainly in the US, nobody was even aware of its existence until it was released, and it didn't survive long in theatres.

I was only barely aware of it before its US release, and I keep a close eye on movie news. If someone like myself who keeps an eye on sci-fi and action movies was barely aware of it, it's not surprising that the general public had no idea.

Shame really, because it deserved to do better, despite its flaws.

Christian Bale doesn't seem to be having much luck - Reign of Fire also performed rather poorly and, other than an appalling final scene, that rocks.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:43pm

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HAHA!

yeah, the effects in Reign of Fire were amazing! I was very impressed with that . .

yeah, the end scene in that was a little 'odd'. . . . I particularly dislike matthew mcConaughey's leap from the top of the tower. it was a little too anti-climactic. when he was just eaten, I was like "WTF?!?! that's it??"
over all a pretty decent movie, though



hmm. you know, I hate it when movies don't get very good publicity. especially the good ones.
I'll have to keep an eye out for Equilibrium on tape or dvd now.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:53pm

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I loved Matt's leap from the chimney, although it was a bit odd the way he was just killed straight away. Or did he damage the dragon's fire breathing? Anyway, the leap itself was superbly OTT. smile

I was referring to the final *final* scene, with them on the hill erecting the communications tower. The dialogue, acting and filming is just bizarrely poor. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the studio forced them to add that on the end, as it seems at odds with the rest of the movie and of much lower quality.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:55pm

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oh, the leap itself was cool. . . .but overall I was disappointed, as I realy liked his character.

ah! it's been a little while since I've seen it, so I don't remember the quality of the final scenes that well. . . perhaps it's worth a renting to check out again. . . . ..
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 2:58pm

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When I saw it a second time, the very final scene annoyed me far more than it did the first time round. However, the rest of the film seemed even better than I remembered.

And, yeah, his character (Van Zan?) was superb. I love the way he grunts and growls at everything he does, even if he's just standing up or something. biggrin
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 3:04pm

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now that you say 'van Zan' I seem to want think that it was 'Van Zant'. . . but after checking on IMDB, I see that you are correct, it was Van Zan.

I thought Matthew McConaughey did an extremely incredible job playing that role. even more so because it was a far cry from any other role he's ever played.
I totally dug the tatoos on his shoulders, back and neck. after seeing that, I was like "I want tatoos like those!"

but then again, I thought that after seeing both Blade movies, too. . . . .
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 3:23pm

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Reign of Fire was awesome. McConaughey was awesome and so was cristian bale. But he's awesome in everything. Anyone see American Psycho? WOOO! Kicked my ass! There should be more movies about dragons. Mostly about them kicking ass.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 3:31pm

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Well said Aculag. smile

Christian Bale is one of those actors that is always superb, even if the film he is in is otherwise terrible. Bit like Morgan Freeman, Christopher Walken et al - you always know you're going to get something great from them.

Bale's performance in American Psycho is astonishingly good...he deserves to be a bigger star and get some really great roles. Like many of his films, he seems generally under-appreciated in Hollywood.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 5:51pm

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But then there are people like Ben affleck or his counterpart, matt damon, who are very OVER appreciated. I loved good will hunting, but most of the stuff either of them have done since has been really.... lame. With the exception of Oceans 11 for damon. Even the stuff they did before Good Will Hunting.. Affleck mostly, was good. Like chasing amy and mallrats. I can't think of any others that were good though. But that would suck if christian bale got to be like that.
Posted: Wed, 16th Apr 2003, 7:34pm

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Oh please. There was simply no better way for Van Zant to go out than going mano a mano with the biggest dragon ever with nothing but an axe and a bald head to help him. That, my friends, is cajones.

As to Equilibium; good film. It works as long as you turn your brain off as if you think about it too much then it falls apart. Feeling being banned? Very vauge. Sounds good, but when you think about it surley they're just Vulcans?

At least it gave us the Gun Kata. Another film needs to steal that asap.
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 2:54am

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Well, I'm glad to see there are some Brazil fans here. Does it bother anyone else that Robert De Niro got second billing, but he was hardly a leading man? He's a great actor and all, but second billing...
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 8:14am

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It doesn't bother me at all that De Niro got second billing - Pryce was the star, undoubtedly. It would have been silly if Brazil had done a Superman (where Marlon Brando was given top billing above Christopher Reeve).

I just watched Lost in La Mancha (a film about the non-making of Gilliam's The Man Who Killed Don Quixote) & he was so unlucky there. On the first day of shooting with the principal actors, the weather suddenly go really bad - there was a thunderstorm & massive downpours, that caused tons of damage to the film equpment (lots of it got washed away). unsure

Then Jean Rochefort, the guy playing Don Quixote, got a sort of prostate cancer & was finding it extemely painful to ride the horses - though credit to him, he did try to battle on despite the pain. But it got so bad that he had to go back to Paris & see his doctors. Gilliam & his crew waited in Spain for a few weeks, hoping against hope that Rochefort would be able to return, but he didn't... sad

The script is now owned by an insurance co, & Gilliam is trying to buy it back. All the props that cost £000s to make were sold off for about £10 each... cry

I really recommend seeing the documentary, even though I have given it all away eek , the scenes that got completed look sublime...& it's worth it just to see the 3 guys playing the giants running at the camera, their faces in mock rage, their chests heaving and pulsating, hehehe! lol

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Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 10:40am

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"But then there are people like Ben affleck or his counterpart, matt damon, who are very OVER appreciated"

Yeah man Ben Affleck is the worst. He can't act for grapefruit and have you ever seen him play a character who wasn't an a-hole?
Pearl Harbour: A-hole.
Daredevil:A-hole
Chasing Amy:A-hole
Mallrats: A-hole
Armageddon: A-hole
Dogma:A-hole

and the list goes on... ah that's my rant over for today.

Matt Damon however is pretty cool.

Robert DeNiro in "Brazil" his characters exit is one of the strangest things I've ever seen. (and I've seen "Mullholland Drive") I've been a big Gilliam fan since I first saw his work on Monty Python.

"Equilibrium" was cheap to make and I'll bet alot of people saw it more than once. I saw it twice (I wanted to see it a third time.) A friend of mine saw it 3x. If there's enough people like that it wouldn't do too badly in getting back some money.
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 9:12pm

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Watching it in bits and pieces over the day.
Damn good film!
Nice to see so many british actors in a decent film.

The martial arts are pretty good as well. Nice idea with the gun kata, even if it is totally sus!
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 10:15pm

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Matt damon and ben affleck both can go suck an egg. As can mark wahlberg, as long as we're on the subject.
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 10:35pm

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Oh yeah. I cannot believe they've remade "The Italian Job" with Mark Wahlberg. That's the most appaling idea since someone said "let's remake planet of the apes with Mark Wahlberg."
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you know, I was thinking that same thing. Although I think Edward Norton and Jason Statham can save it. Not to mention Charlize Theron, but that's just because she's hot. I think that looks like It'll be kickin. Minus marky mark, of course. I mean, jeepers creepers.
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I enjoyed the newer version of Planet of the Apes more than I enjoyed the original. not for mark wahlberg, but for Tim Burton. I thought it was a well made film, as are all of Tim Burtons films (with the exception of Peewee's Big Adventure *shudders*)

anyway, I actually thought mark wahlberg was quite good in The Big Hit, even if that was his only decent performance.


and aculag - Jason Statham is the man! I thought he was f*cking awesome in The Transporter!
Posted: Thu, 17th Apr 2003, 10:58pm

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I didn't like either Planet of the Apes. Not sure why, would have preferred it to be Planet of the One Foot Tall Ants.

One million ants to every human.
One million ants that are each one foot tall.
End of the human race.

Cool.
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In Planet of the Apes i liked how the did the apes. Also liked Reign of Fire and Equilibruim, good films.
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Reign of Fire sucked, in my opinion.

Where was the action? seriously. They had a tank and never used it!
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Back to Bale: yep, he was tremendous in American Psycho (henceforth, AP), which happens to be one of my favourite movies of all time. Reign of Fire was alright, but can't hold a candle to AP. Bale's performance in AP was masterful, and can't be touched.
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Yeah, Iceman. That movie was very cool, but just not too great at all. But Jason Statham was awesome. I liked him the best in Lock Stock and Two smoking Barrels though. Snatch was also good.

Also, the new planet of the apes was a lot denser than the original. Marky mark wasn't so great, neither was miss estella warren, *cough*. In fact, I thought the only really great performance in it was Tim Roth. He was great. And Tim Burton is a great director. Really knows how to make things nice and creeptastic.
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"The Transporter" was great. Jason Statham's baddd. He was so cool in "The One".

"The Big Hit" and "The Corruptor" are possibly some of the only films with Marky Mark I like. "The Big Hit" 'cos it's by Kirk Wong and has got some cool bits in it. And "The Corruptor" 'cos it's got Chow Yun-Fat in it.
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Three Kings I like a lot, although Marky Mark might be one of the weaker things about that film...

What about Boogie Nights? Haven't seen it myself, but it's generally well-regarded.
Posted: Fri, 18th Apr 2003, 10:33am

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"Boogie Nights" aint much I don't think. However I forgot "Three Kings" that opening sequence was great. "Are we shootin' people or what!?!?!" priceless.
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Yeah I got The Transporter the other day & I have to agree, the moves are pretty damned slick!
I didn't think much of The One but Snatch & Lock Stock are pure class.
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Boogie Nights is an excellent film with a very good performance by Wahlberg. He was also very good in Three Kings.

I think every one comes down on him because of his Marky Mark and Calvin Klein modelling days.

And let's not insult Ben Affleck in Mallrats. When you hear him on the US DVD's commentary track you'd, like me, forgive him anything. Although maybe not Pearl Harbour.
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Affleck is superb in Kevin Smith's films. But he's yet to convince me in anything else...Daredevil certainly didn't help, being the malfunction of a film that it is - nearly killed comic book movies. Hopefully X2 will redress the balance.

Damon, however, is great. Astonishingly good, and very unusual, in Talented Mr Ripley and a remarkably cool action star in The Bourne Identity.
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I thought everything in Three Kings was very good, including Mark Walberg. In fact, I have no beef with Mark at all. Him and his brother Donny are all right in my book. Ever see Band Of Brothers, the episode with Donny Walberg starring was one of my favorites.

I know I'm going to upset lots of people, but I'm not a big fan of Edward Norton. He just doesn't strike me as that good. Red Dragon was good, so was The Score (you can say that's my "favorite" of his roles), I just don't like him that much I guess.

But Mark Hamill, however...
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Boogie Nights is a great movie. I guess you kinda have to like stuff like that in order to like P.T. andersons other films (Magnolia, Punch Drunk Love) Boogie Nights is the only movie i like mark walberg in.
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Yeah, I don't have a particular problem with Mark Wahlberg. I just haven't yet been amazed by him. Don't know if that's because of him or the films I've seen, though. Must get hold of Boogie Nights.

Donny is great - brilliant cameo in The Sixth Sense. Can't remember his specific role in Band of Brothers, but that whole series was superb. Must get the DVDs one of these days.....

Magnolia is one of my favourite films. Not sure why, because essentially it's just a glorifed soap opera. But there's just something about it...can't pin down what, but it just sucks me in. In much the same was as 2001: A Space Odssey and Apocalypse Now (NOT the rather disappointing Redux version).

Punch-Drunk Love aws fantastic. One of my top films of the year so far. Also had the most effective action scene I've seen since Helms Deep.
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I guess I don't really have much of a problem with wahlberg either, i just don't think he's that great. i haven't seen three kings. Also, tarn are you referring to the fight scene where he beats the hell out of those guys in the truck?
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Yep, that's the scene. smile

It might not be as elaborate as more traditional action movies, but the emotional pay-off was so astonishingly satisfying that it was far more effective than anything else I've seen this year.

In fact, I read one interesting thing about P-DL actually being a superhero movie. But I won't go into that right now. smile