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Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 2:46pm

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This clip features the initial sound design test from Don Hayes at Gearbox studios, who's providing sound fx and scoring for our project. The people in hoods are standins for our Poser/Maya CGI zombies. So, you have to visualize them replaced with rotting corpses to get the idea of the scene. This particular take was ultimately reshot and replaced in the final movie. I hope to have lots of extra stuff like this in variaous states of fx completetion included on the dvd version of the film.

This scene kicks off 2 plus minutes of non stop carnage in the final film, which includes double swords, a throat stabbing, a knee & a face slashing as well as a gunshot squib and a head splitting. Oh yeah and a zombie gets a staff drove into his eye socket. Yuuuck!
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Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 2:53pm

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We ended up reshooting this because of that lame ass elbow I threw at the end, as well as the smirk on my face.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 3:37pm

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It's uncool to vote for your own movie. Generally, I give my own clips an honest vote. In this case I succumed to the temptation to give myself an unreasonably high vote to counter two unreasonably low votes. Come on, that sound track kicks. That's really all this clip is about anyways. Don't people read disclaimers? At this rate I'm gonna get a complex and not post anymore in progress clips.

Personally, I love watching things progress through various stages. Guess some folks don't feel the same, hence giving the clip a 1.

DANGER. Newbie learning the ropes here.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 3:53pm

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maybe the sound is good, but the compression was horrible. It didn't sound nice on my speakers, and i can get good sound.

the clip itself was really cheesy. The muzzle flashes were way too small.

I also like work in progress in clips (i have a bunch of those), so it's not that.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 7:22pm

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this wasn't the best. i saw some fotage on your site that looked more promesing, looking forward to see the movie.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 7:45pm

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Those flashes need to be way bigger.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 9:20pm

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If you put up anymoretest clips at least make sure they have mind boggling special effects or at least some length to them - pretty dissapointing -

And don't just make the muzzle flashes bigger, used the pistol ones. Watch a clip from a movie and see what muzzle flashes look like so you can get an idea of what you're doing -

And get better gun sounds.

And for cool zombie stuff, y'all go HERE

Oh and you kinda look like George Romero with an afro.
Posted: Wed, 30th Apr 2003, 9:38pm

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"The muzzle flashes were way too small.
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Now that's constructive critic. Thanks .I'll make em bigger in the real clip.

Regards,
Brent

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I'll use a tigher compression on anything else I post.

Regards,
Brent
Posted: Sat, 3rd May 2003, 9:31pm

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Greybro wrote:

It's uncool to vote for your own movie. Generally, I give my own clips an honest vote. In this case I succumed to the temptation to give myself an unreasonably high vote to counter two unreasonably low votes. Come on, that sound track kicks. That's really all this clip is about anyways. Don't people read disclaimers? At this rate I'm gonna get a complex and not post anymore in progress clips.

Personally, I love watching things progress through various stages. Guess some folks don't feel the same, hence giving the clip a 1.

DANGER. Newbie learning the ropes here.
This is a special effects site razz not a sound track site and by the looks of the voting to date there are no unreasonably low votes. In the future I would just refrain from voting on your own movie at all that way there is no question(this is not just directed at Greybro). It seems the worse a clip is the more likely the author thinks they are George Lucas and voting themselves a 5 rolleyes .
Now as for the clip the video quality was good but I guess it would be with the file size. Everything else pretty well sucked especially the effects. I think the undead usually have some physical reaction from being shot in the head from 3 inches away by a 9mm. I realize they won't "DIE" but a head snap back or something. It just looked like a bunch a preschoolers and you have the candy, except they are on downers.
You may not know exactly how this forum works but you have to have watched movies before and there is no way you watched that and thought it was good let alone great. IMHO
Posted: Sat, 3rd May 2003, 11:21pm

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Perhaps you should stick to Carwash teching mate.

I prefaced the whole damn thing that this was an unused out take and merely a test for the sound desginer. You jerks want to come off like I've put this out as some sort of final product, go ahead and amuse yourselves. But, it's meaningless.

The long shot is just to establish all the action conitinuity. The head snapping back you mention is shot in a closeup and accompanied by a massive squib shot in profile. Believe me, in the film, you damn sure know he's just got shot.

I could really give a Fugg about all the bashing going on here. I simply posted an outtake expecting a friendly suggestion here or there on the muzzle flashes, not the freaking 3rd degree from a bunch of rude A-holes!

I've seen some pretty God aweful crap on here. I have never expressed myself as rudely as some of the folks who've reviewed my two clips. And I always find something positive or at the very least constructive to say.

This is supposed to be fun right? I mean maybe you guys make movies for a living, butr I damn sure don't.

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Brent
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Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 2:27am

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Dude, why are you getting all defensive on us? If you're doing this for fun as you purport, why are you freaking out over the 1 star votes, which in all honesty, is exactly what this clip deserves? The reason: this clip, as you yourself admitted, is an outtake and is in no way a final product. Furthermore, the effects weren't groundshaking to say the least.

I'm not usually one to react like this, but I think your knee-jerk response is completely uncalled for.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 3:28am

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moebius,

Read the reviews of my other clip, "Terminate This" and you'll see the kind of comments that have led me to this "Knee jerk" reaction as you call it.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 4:16am

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Rating: +1

So what do you want us to do? huh?

Do you want us to rate this clip, or rate your supposedly great movie this clip represents. (The stuff on your website does actually look pretty cool...)

You keep telling us there is this great movie in the works. The fact remains, though, that this clip consisted of hooded ruffians slowly coming at a guy shaking a plastic gun with M-16 muzzle flashes pasted over it.


People aren't going to look at this and laugh at the outtakes because there is no final product to relate the outtakes to. The voting and the comments are simply reflecting the clip shown here.

You said you fixed all the problems seen in this clip in your final product. Good. That means that the criticism you heard here will not be heard again.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 1:08pm

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What do I want you to do? Learn some manners or piss off!

Just point me to exactly where I said my movie is great.

For the last freaking time, the hooded folks are standins. Plate is shot for the entire thing. The hooded people will be replaced by custom made Poser & Maya generated zombies. Look at the website where the process is outlined and yes previewed.

http://www.posercity.com/zh/

Plastic gun hugh? I guess you have never seen a real Ruger 9mm then cause that's exactly what was used in that clip. There were two of them, one silver plated and one flat black, Mr. Smartass. For that matter, while we're on the subject of real versus fake, in daylight, you never even see the muzzle flash from such a gun. Then again if you are basing you idea of reality soley on the movies, I guess I can see why you think my muzzle flashes are too small.


Regards,
Brent



Regards,
Brent
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 8:43pm

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Rating: +2

What right do you have to come in here and tell us how to think?
You're telling me to learn some manners and piss off? I gave an explanation of why people were rating this badly, and you're the one who lashes out.


Just point me to exactly where I said my movie is great.
Right here:

For the last freaking time, the hooded folks are standins. Plate is shot for the entire thing. The hooded people will be replaced by custom made Poser & Maya generated zombies.
People don't close their eyes and pretend that there is something else being shown. You are describing a totally different movie than what you have shown us. The clip we see is a 15 second work-in-progress with crappy sound, bad effects, and a home-video look. If you say that stuff won't be in the final product, it still doesn't change what we see in this clip.

I guess you have never seen a real Ruger 9mm then cause that's exactly what was used in that clip. There were two of them, one silver plated and one flat black, Mr. Smartass. For that matter, while we're on the subject of real versus fake, in daylight, you never even see the muzzle flash from such a gun. Then again if you are basing you idea of reality soley on the movies, I guess I can see why you think my muzzle flashes are too small.


If those guns aren't plastic, they should be. I wouldn't recommend using real guns for an amateur movie. But even so, the pistols weren't handled any differently than if they were plastic, so how am I supposed to know if they're not real?

You should know by now to not make assumptions about other people. a few weeks ago I fired a 9mm beretta, a colt .45, and a snubnose revolver at the local shooting range. I have enough experience to know by now that unless you're firing blanks, you should not try to immitate reality. Movies are meant to be surreal, and I don't care how realistic it is, but your muzzle flashes looked bad. When shooting guns in a movie, you should go all out with large flashes. It looks much better.

With all your experience in firearms, shouldn't you know by now that muzzle flashes from pistols don't spread out in three directions, like what was seen in your movie?
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 8:52pm

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Look kid. Obviously, you've got it all figured out. I'm just gonna leave you to your high school ramblings.

I could continue to argue with you, but I guess you'd continue to quote irellevant statements I've made as if they somehow prove your point. Good luck with your film career and life in general. I'm sure you'll go far.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 9:18pm

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Rating: +1

Thank you.


This stuff is all just getting out of hand. You should just post your final zombie movie when it's finished. I'm sure that will be much better received.

One thing: I have been doing this stuff for a couple of years, and you even said yourself that you were a newbie. I would like to think that you might find some of my advice as helpful, but since I'm just a high school know-it-all...

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Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 9:22pm

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Info: Three direction flash is common! I am a police officer, i use a ported glock 23, 40cal. I shoot day and night, and i can't tell you how many thousands of rounds i've had go off around me in the past. Yes, bigger looks better, but for the sake of argument, it is common. Now, for the movie, i laughed when i watched it, it entertained me, and i liked it. I'm not trying to side the argument, but really, not many of us here are going to be working on terminator 4. Let's have fun and give each other advise. I understand being annoyed when you work on a project that isn't well received, but the final judge is the maker of the movie in most of our cases. This site can be a lot mor fun, and inspire all of us to be more creative when we aren't shut down and slammed with the first hint of our work.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 9:29pm

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Greybro wrote:

Good luck with your film career and life in general. I'm sure you'll go far.
He's actually already gone quite far for his age...and still going, like the energizer bunny.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 9:37pm

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Alright, someone is vouching for me! cool

Same to you, Cypher. Just like a little pink bunny with a drum.
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 9:58pm

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He's actually already gone quite far for his age...and still going, like the energizer bunny.
I'm glad. I wish him and everyone else here all the success in the world in all sincerity.

I just don't care to be antagonized, which at this point is pretty clearly happening. I wouldn't make such comments to him or come off so arogantly and for lack of a better word "Assholey" and am just asking for the same respectful treatment that I would give.

Regards,
Brent
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 10:09pm

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A recommendation...
Posted: Sun, 4th May 2003, 11:04pm

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please put the movie back up! that isn't cool to just submit something and then rip it off the link so nobody can see it just because you didn't like what like 3 people thought...geez, and for both of your tests! i want to see them.
Posted: Mon, 5th May 2003, 2:08pm

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1. I haven't taken down my movie clips intentionally. My entire site has been down all weekend. Trying to correct that but my host doesn't appear to be responding. And on that note everyone avoid phpwebhosting at all costs.

2. Yes, I've taken all this too personally. My bad. I've been shooting this movie on weekends since Jan and am overdue for a break.

Now that I understand the level of critic that anything I post here will be met with, I'll be prepared for that in the future and won't post any in progress stuff.

I tried to diffuse this thread earlier on. But, you know how it is when you read someone's response and it ticks you off. Whammo, before you can breath deep you've responded out of anger. That's always a bad idea and normally something I wouldn't do. As I've said it just took me off guard and I was weak enough to make a snap response. Sorry about that.

Regards,
Brent
Posted: Mon, 5th May 2003, 9:17pm

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Cool! Glad you came back to us, prodigal son biggrin
I like your clips, test clips are TEST CLIPS. That's all. Noone gets A's on hand-written term papers.
PM me, i'll host your 2 clips for you if you'd like. I've got about 80 megs i won't need for several months.
Posted: Mon, 5th May 2003, 11:07pm

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I happen to agree with sidewinder on all the points he's made here. I also think that it's purely ridiculous to get so upset because someone said something bad about your 15 second clip. I got mad when people told me my ripple effects sucked, but that's because they weren't telling me what I did wrong. Eventually they did, and I'm working on getting them better. In this case, everyone has told you what you've done wrong, and how to fix it. So stop complaining.
Posted: Tue, 6th May 2003, 12:58am

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See my previous post Aculag. I'm done bitching about the bitching
Posted: Tue, 6th May 2003, 1:24am

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Yeah, everyone is kind of cooled off now.
Posted: Tue, 6th May 2003, 1:35am

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Glad to see everything's fine and dandy now biggrin
Posted: Tue, 6th May 2003, 2:00am

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Yes, and not bent on a massacre.

Well, except for me - maybe.
Posted: Tue, 6th May 2003, 2:47am

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I was just getting my two cents in.

So... You guys wanna go back to my place?
Posted: Mon, 19th May 2003, 4:08am

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Greybro,

I thought the clip was entertaining, the music gave it the exiting element and even though the hooded people were stand-ins, i thought they portrayed zombies quite well.

I haven't read all the posts so forgive me if im repeating advice:

1. you already know about the muzzle flashes

2. I've seen CG characters before, and if the maya zombies dont look so realistic, try makeup or costumes, if there is any time left to film.

3. The fight choreography (e.g. the elbow hook in particular) could flow a bit smoother. I suggest rehearsing the fight choreography a few times before filming, and make sure your actors know their marks and timing.

I understand your reaction to the harsh comments about your two clips, but don't sweat what those "jedi knight," high-force point, movie-guru's have to say. Perhaps the sucess of their awe-inspiring movie's has given them a sense of superiority and therefore Judge You, because your just a newbie, aaaahhhh, kill him!!! Just kidding. It's not that funny, was it.

Anyway, dont let negative comments bring you down. Keep up the effort, and I await when the final product is released.

Kindest regards,

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Posted: Tue, 20th May 2003, 9:53am

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Thanks for the kind remarks. Yes, I was initially taken aback by some of the harsh comments after I intentionally pointed out that this was an unused out take from the film that was ditched because the action didn't look so hot. It was reshot and looks great now. I made this clip the week I got Alam just to test out the gun flash fx. Then I watched some of the movies of the folks making the harsh comments and instantly felt better about both this clip and my project overall. You won't see any firecracker squibs in Zombie Hunter, I promise. You will see some awesome squib effects though. The official trailer will replace all the other work in progress type clips on the movie site sometime this month so take a look at that when it comes out.

Thanks again for the words of encouragement. I'm not even remotely discouraged by the nay sayers.

Regards,
Brent
Posted: Thu, 10th Jul 2003, 7:36am

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Are you freakin kidding?


I watched this a while ago and felt I had to return to comment on it.
But that is all i have to say.