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Trying to do make it look like film, what do u think?

Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 12:11pm

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Hey. Im trying to make my video look more like film, you know what im talkin' about. I just used Premiere and just changes the colors and so.

what do u think?

Edit: Pic has been ligthen up.


If it a little to dark. it's still becouse i can't get the right light on my Monitor.

//Andy

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 12:13pm

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Woah, I can hardly see it! It's too dark! eek
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 12:18pm

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I have to agree with Orion, it's a little too dark...making it a little lighter if you can & post it up here!

Mel wink
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 12:46pm

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thx. wait a sec. and i post it again.

Edit: Better now?
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 1:25pm

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great you crazy sweed. Totally great!! Jag tyckte nästan det såg ut som ett TV-Spel, men vad gör det. Fantastiskt!!
(Jag stör mig rätt mycket på att det står
innan och efter men det gör ju bara så att vi svenskar känner oss bättre.Muhahahahaaaaa)
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 1:30pm

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Sorry man, it still looks like video to me. For true film look you need to add grain. Also you desaturated a lot of your colors. Film is bright and colorful, although more contrasted that video. Seems to me you only crashed your blacks on this. Here are a few tips I use:


First of all it is the motion of film you are after (doesn't really apply in PAL, you're almost there! Us North Americans have an extra hurdle to overcome!), then come the colors and gamma: These play no small role of course. With good lighting and care taken with camera movement you can make video look like film.

If you already have the video shot you can simulate progressive scan video or "Film Motion Look" by doing the following with Final Cut Pro (or anything similar in any NLE).

Getting Film Motion:

Place the same clip on the timeline (Sequence) twice directly above and below each other. Place both clips against the beginning of the sequence. De-interlace the first clip (The bottom clip). In North America's NTSC world select lower field. Not sure about Japan's NTSC though.

Second clip (Top Clip), turn the opacity to 50 %. Now place the "de-interlace" filter (with the "LOWER" setting selected) on the V1 clip. Next, place "de-interlace" (with the "UPPER" setting selected) on the V2 clip. Thats it!!! No interlaced-induced flicker. Full resolution, No strobing, No jaggies, just a subtle, classy, non-video look.


Play the video and you will notice a really good imitation of a film motion look. This is also good for reduced jitter slow motion.


Now Color Correction:

Reduce contrast and sharpness, try to create a soft glow around highlights and add film grain.

A few more tips or techniques: If you know your video is going to be used for slow motion you can shoot with high-speed shutter for these scenes. Play with the shutter settings on your camera and see what you favor. This should make your video sharper with faster movement. If you have seen "Gladiator" just remember the fight scenes, this is close to the look I am referring to. Also works well for ramping from fast to slow motion. Using HS Shutter is limited to outdoor shoots or very well lit interiors.

Note: High-speed shutter should only be used for the Slow Motion or high motion scenes. Looks too different from regular video at normal speeds.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 1:41pm

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Yes, i know that film is more colorfull. but this should be more at the night or later at day, in a kinda' dark place.

And i actuly think grain make the video more ugly then it is. why add it then, even that it make the video seem more like film, it just make it look like a bad camera in my eyes.

this is actuly what i did with the fotage. ( never mind the tutorial title. i was going to make a tutorial if it looked good so.) :






thx for the tips carter, (i dont like that name after yesterday's gold loss in WC.)
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 4:00pm

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Is it time for me to warm up the keyboard and synths now? Seems like You're getting closer to that point... smile

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:08pm

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What? Reducing contrast and sharpness, diffusing the video and adding grain will make it look like film? If that was what it looked like, I wouldn't want my video look like that at all. How many times have you seen films like that? Now, look at this.

The left one is my matrix like color corrected. The right one is the unsharp, diffused, low contrast, grainy one. Sure, there are many other ways of color correcting it, and I think you should have added a little back light and maybe "lighting" the contrast in instead of doing it on the computer. But multiplying it with itself is not gonna help.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:14pm

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Crawling Space just went under my dads eye and he corrected all the final takes (with his 26 years photography) with his eyes... it ended up with a tint of yellow and more alike film than the harsh bright colours before... it also bridged the gap between the different camera types used... and the different days.

I'll start the bidding for my dad at £30.00. wink
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:21pm

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I think you added WAY too much noise there... And you also diffused it too much. Animaster.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:22pm

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I have been bad on ligthning my scenes, always. but that's becouse, where should i find elecricity ?
And I pretty much like my camera, couse i had no light, it was pretty dark at that place so. thought it went pretty well anyway.

if you look at my "after" picture, it is kinda' blue.. and i got that from the matrix, when they are in the "real world" and if you look at ani's, it looks like in the "matrix".
Anyway, what im saying is that the light creates a bit of the movie. if you are doing a drama, then its pretty colorfull, but not to colorfull. while if you are doing an actionmovie. they are often more dark and cold.

So, if i say like this, does the after picture look better then the before picture?
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:28pm

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I for one think it does look better.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:30pm

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not at all. it looks like it has been shot on an old 8mm video camera.

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:39pm

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so, it dosen't look better ani ? eek
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:49pm

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no, I don't think so. In my opinion this is what it should look like if you want it dark and blue.

It feels you are in a dark and cold place, but still it's light enough. It doesen't look as good as it could do though, I still think you should have lightened it properly, so you don't get the flat daylight feel. And I think it would look better kind of grey. And maybe a bit green because of flurocent lights that might have been there perhaps. Don't misunderstand grey as desaturated though.

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:52pm

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That looks like color corrected video to me. And while it looks good, he wants it to look like film. Not color corrected video.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 5:59pm

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Well, it will always look as color corrected video, because thats what it is! You can't make it look completely like film, because if you could, no one would be using film, would they? I don't think one should edit the picture more than adding a film gamma curve, and everything else you should do with lights. But if you could make the original footage look like that by using lights, i am sure it would look really good.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 6:09pm

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Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 6:11pm

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long answer biggrin
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 6:14pm

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Ani, please. post a picture that is so close that u can make it look like film.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 6:44pm

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Through what ive heard you should use a digi grader. A seperate program to make your video footage look like real film footage! This is how they got the different places in lord of the rings to look different, from reality to fantasy! Check this site out http://www.hollywoodindustry.com/2002/02_feb/features/cw_lord_5d.htm
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:02pm

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Well, if i'm not gonna use a special "mood" color, I think this looks pretty good
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:14pm

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Thanks Anthony, Im sure heard of digigrade. I sit her all the time.

Anyway, I have the LOTR 4 dvd disc special, and you can see some awsome clips from 5D Colossus there. biggrin
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:15pm

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Yea i agree! That is well good enough! But just in case the best isnt good enough people may be interested in the digi grading, but i personally the pic above is plenty good enough!
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:18pm

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There is one difference though. In the lord of the rings they already had film footage! smile
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:32pm

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Yes they had.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:37pm

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Ani's first one is good, but i think that good lighting would give it more of a professional look.

And get a mac, then get magic bullet! It's cool.
Posted: Mon, 12th May 2003, 7:46pm

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humm, i can't afford a mac right now. biggrin Maybe YOU could make my footage look like film ! biggrin
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Magic bullet helps a lot.
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 5:35am

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Actually, I don't think magic bullet is that good. You can get exactly the same results by using curves or levels and other standard ae plugins. I don't know why you're all so crazy about it.

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Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 5:36am

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So?
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 5:38am

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So.. why don't you use the standard ae plugins instead smile
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Oh, don't get me wrong. The plugins work fine, and I've done that before. But magic bullet does more than just adding glows and stuff. And it does all the work for you. It's a nice complement to AE.
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 6:27am

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Ani's first one is good, but i think that good lighting would give it more of a professional look.

And get a mac, then get magic bullet! It's cool.
Did you spend $1000 on the software? Because if you truly did, then you've wasted your money as from what I've seen, you have absolutely no idea how to use the software.
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 3:11pm

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A little play project whilst I'm suppposed to be working wink


Blurred the background to simulate DOP
Slightly desaturated
Added a little green gamma
Didn't add grain

If you're going to add grain, you want it very fine, too big and it looks rubbish smile

Paul
Posted: Tue, 13th May 2003, 3:43pm

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Yeah, i think after pic look more filmlike than the before picture...
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Yeah, and that's the whole point. Obviously it's not making it film, it's just giving it a feel of film.
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i just downloaded the magic bullet demo. gonna give that a try.
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Here's my version smile With fauxed DOF biggrin
Posted: Sat, 11th Sep 2004, 11:06pm

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hehe this is like 1+ year old
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Here's what I got with Premiere



I just upped the contrast a lot, played with the color balance, lowered the saturation, toyed with levels.
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Here's my attempt.

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Hah! I think we may be a bit late people biggrin