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MiniDisk or MP3 Player

Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 7:54pm

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im getting really sick of writing cd's and my portable
cd player just packed up mad

So.... which one is better?

I've heard good things about
Sony Minidisks
and Apple IPODS.

I'm mainly after Quality then Quantity... I don't want to dish out too much money for a minidisk/mp3 payer with more buttons than a stealth bomber.. i just want one that plays sound at high quality.
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:05pm

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iPod, hands down, no questions asked. Even though I have a Sony netMD and its alright. iPod is the best.
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:28pm

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Minidisc is only smaller than cd. With writable cds being so cheap and easy it offers little advantage and its slower to get the tunes on the disks.

I have one from back before mp3 players were available and an mp3 is much more handy.
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:32pm

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iPod all the way. I can't live without mine, I love it! 5, 15, and now 30 gigs are the size of the iPods. WOW. It's the only MP3 player that can handle AIFF files. It also handles: MP3, Wav and the new AAC audio files. Plus (and this is the best part), you can use your iPod as a portable hard drive. I use mine with Final Cut Pro and my Apple Powerbook when I'm on locations, or away from my tower editor. Again, I agree with Orion340, get an iPod, you won't regret it!

Cheers
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:32pm

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so what prices am i looking at for an MP3 player?
Also.. is the quality as good? or better?
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:42pm

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iPod.

Its something I can't live without now.
Posted: Sun, 18th May 2003, 8:51pm

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I'm telling you En-No, it's one of the best things I've ever bought.
Posted: Mon, 19th May 2003, 2:57am

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i have a Mini disk and it is graet! I got my for adout $199
Posted: Sat, 24th May 2003, 9:10am

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I have got a Creative Muvo MP3 player which can also be used as a USB drive. Which suits my purposes perfectly smile
Posted: Sun, 25th May 2003, 10:56pm

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Ooh, that reminds me. I was looking at getting a muvo but they only had the 64mb version. I'll have to see if I can order one.
Posted: Mon, 26th May 2003, 3:17am

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I'm buying an iPod today. I tried my friends and it was VERY awesome. It's definetly the best portable music player. Anyone have any suggestions on headphones? Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 26th May 2003, 9:06am

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confused ok.. i know what you all have now but i don't know whats the best?

IPODS are very expensive.
Minidisks are quite expensive.
Creative Muvo is definately the cheapest (why?)

I want to know these sort of things.
Posted: Mon, 26th May 2003, 12:54pm

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Ipods are big arnt they and have HD space like the other creative thing. Muvo is like a keyfob sized thing but doesnt have that much space on it. only 64 or 128mb.

What's best depends on you. Do you need something clunky that holds all your music or something very small which holds only a small selection thats easily updatable? There are also a whole host of players that fit in in between those extremes.
Posted: Mon, 26th May 2003, 1:28pm

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I love minidisc. The discs are cheap, rewritable, and hold a ton of music on each one, and skipping is non-existent. I have a SonyNetMD and it really isn't that slow copying files over...especially making a copy of a CD.

Also, if you get a minidisc with a Mic and line input you can use them to record ambient sound for your films. Great device.
Posted: Mon, 26th May 2003, 4:15pm

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i have one of the earliest minidiscs which was available, and one of the earliest rio mp3 players. i have to say the mp3 player weighs squat all, but i dont use either of them anymore as those daft little in ear headfones keep falling out my ears...
Posted: Mon, 9th Jun 2003, 9:54pm

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I got an iPod the other day, and it's incredible. I love it. Get one.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 4:58am

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My brother just got a 20 GB Nomad Jukebox3 for $200. It is very nice, and cheeper than an Ipod I believe. I've also read many reviews from people that said that actually prefer the Archox Jukebox to the Ipod, and its cheeper as well. Not saying that the Ipod is bad, it is very nice. But it might be a good idea to try and get something that is cheaper, has more space, and possibly even more features.

-Fett
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 5:43am

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I"m personally waiting for the MP4 players in 2004-5 me
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 6:48am

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What all features does the Archox Jukebox have?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 4:11pm

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MP4 players????

I've never heard anything about MP4...
WMV is the best quality format in my opinion.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 4:18pm

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WMV sucks balls (almost as much as mp4 does so far) How did we get onto the video subject?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 4:27pm

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The new iPods are tiny and very thin but have huge capacity and very fast connection (FireWire 400 on Mac and USB 2 on the PC which is needed when you trasfer backups or 7,500 mp3s). It also support AAC for higher quality and equally small sound. Its also got a couple of games and the calender stuff that Syncs with iCal. If I could afford one I would get it now smile
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 5:52pm

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It's very worth it.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 6:29pm

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schwar wrote:

It also support AAC for higher quality and equally small sound.
AAC Being mp4 audio, is it not?
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 6:58pm

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Well the Nomad Jukebox has Firewire(1394) as well as USB 2.0. It has all of the equalizer settings for different styles and enviroments, has lots of speed settings so you can listen to songs at half speed, kind of pointless I think, but cool none the less.

I'll see if I can find a review of the Archox Jukebox, it's been a while since I read about it.

-Fett
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 7:07pm

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Here's some:

http://electronics.cnet.com/electronics/0-6342420-1304-8408812.html.

http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/archosmultimedia.html

http://www.techtv.com/freshgear/products/story/0,23008,3408632,00.html

-Enjoi cool
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 7:15pm

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Here is a review of the NOMAD Jukebox3

http://gear.ign.com/articles/357/357805p1.html
It is only $250 new from Creative's website, while a 15 GB Ipod (5GB Less) is $400 new.

Just a little comparison there.

-Fett
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 9:03pm

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I didn't see in the review if it's rechargeable... iPod just plugs in and recharges, no need to buy batteries. If it's the same thing with the Nomad, that's good.
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 11:11pm

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Yup, it has space 2 Limtium Ion Batteries and and you just plug it in to recharge it. When you buy it, it comes with one. If you buy a second battery it will lengthen playback to 22 hours.

-Fett
Posted: Tue, 10th Jun 2003, 11:13pm

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Coo.
Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2003, 6:13pm

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WMV sucks balls (almost as much as mp4 does so far) How did we get onto the video subject?
I know you know ur stuff.. but i don't agree.
It supports Surround, and extreamly high quality video at up to 7990Kb/s download.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 3:41pm

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Because WMV is proprietary it has bad encoding tools. Technically all the MPEG4 based codecs should be the same. However they arn't because of the tools available. WMV's only advantage is the container which allows advanced streaming features. Unfortunatly it loses the versatility and indexing of avi to get this. Most people arn't even using these features so they get all the disadvantages without the advantages. (Sharing a WMV on a webserver is not streaming btw)

WMV9 is getting there but lags behind the leaders which are MPEG4, divx, xvid and so on. (Before you Mac users making MPEG4 start getting smug, you do not have the tools to encode it as well as on the PC so your MPEG4 is not so good smile ) WMV has no special ability at high bitrates, it just needs higher bitrates to give as good a picture as other formats. Even RM9 has passed it for quality and everybody hates RM razz

WMA which it uses for sound is further behind the leading sound formats than WMV is behind for video. For stereo it is less true to the source at any bitrate than mp3. AC3 (Dolby Digital) is the current standard in surround although AAC the upcoming standard (which is the audio part of MPEG4) (MP3 was from MPEG1 of course) will probably come to the foreground because it is an alternative to both MP3 for music and AC3 for Video. Ogg Vorbis is another better alternative but not so popular. Incidently I don't know of anyone that is using WMV for surround sound, they all seem to be using the AC3 plugin.
(Rippers always use MP3, OGG or AC3)
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 3:52pm

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montego wrote:

Also, if you get a minidisc with a Mic and line input you can use them to record ambient sound for your films. Great device.
Can you do this with an iPOD?
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 5:06pm

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explains a lot..
There's a terminator 2 WMV dvd coming out which apparently is quite good but what i don't understand is why Terminator 2?
It's not that amazing.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 6:46pm

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Nah thats just MS flexing their corporate muscle. Everyone has been complaining that its not compatible with any standards at all and wont work with any standalone players.

Its supposed to be HD but its not even the proper res.
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 8:18pm

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ah...
so what is the ultimate format?
HighRes DivX?
Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2003, 9:26pm

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Well for most uses at the moment divx is the best. Standard mpeg4 will probably become the most widely used although so far the standalone players that I've seen that play mpeg4 play divx as well so who knows.
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 8:07pm

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I have an ipod and it rocks, the new ones are even better...Minidisks are not completely digital, which coinstraints the legth of the songs(I dunno about miniMD or whatever) but on the old ones you have to transfer the sons anogolously one by one at 1x to the disk...your better off with cds...