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Making Objects Float/ Fly Like in StarWars (The Force)

Posted: Sat, 31st May 2003, 10:50pm

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Does anybody have a plugin or know how to make objects i.e. cars, wizard staffs etc.. float or fly like in StarWars when a jedi uses the forces i really need to know how to do this for my project where i have a powerful witch or wizard who moves things with there powers. Does anyone have ideas on how to do this on a low budget.

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Posted: Sat, 31st May 2003, 11:16pm

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i wish i had a good webserver that could but up a tutorial, but what probs. do u have? I would love to help u out.
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One thing is get Blender. There sum good stuff in it. I would say with Blender u could first get a still of ur object RIGHT BEFORE it is about to float, and a bground plate. Color the object that is flying in photoshop. Make a blue screen for u object and save it as a JPG. When u go into Blender, make a plane that fills the CAMERA RANGE and add the pic of the object that is going to float on the plane as a texture. Then with key-frames, animate the plane to move causing the object to "float". and then make it land by filling the camera area with the plane. Dont 4get to add lighting that fills the screen. Make the plane 'shadeless'. Also, backbuff the scene with the SAME COLOR blue that ur using as the blue screen so that it looks like the car moves. Render, now, get into ur editing prog. Get the bground plate and put the car on it, take out the blue, and VWALA! (sp?) lol... put ur footage together and view. If u want the people to be in front of the floating object, make a split screen (map) in a paint program, and put the 2 together. I HOPE THIS HELPS! they are prob. other ways, but thats my way of it and it looks pretty good, i would show u an example, but dont have a good web host. CYA, hope this works...
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:07am

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Yeah, u might need this 2: http://www.weirdhat.com/blender/compositing/
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 3:51am

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First of all, I need to know what editing software you are using. I know Adobe Premiere like the back of my hand so if thats it, gimme a holla. (jsdigitalxp@aol.com) Like was already mentioned, u will need to have a composited (blue or green screened image) so the computer knows what u want to be the part of the image that actually moves. In Premiere, place the blue/green screened object on the video 2 track and select it. In "effect controls" click transparency and pick either blue or green screen. Then u need to do the motion part. In Premiere, its just a matter of clicking on motion in the effect controls window and then setting the path u want using the dots in the preview window.

Thats about it. Then again, if u arent using Premiere, this won't really help you, but...

-J
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 5:16am

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I don't have a bluescreen and don't really want to spend alot of time on it if i did. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to do fast yet hi-quality objects, i'm not really keen on Blender and remember it is a low budget film.

Thanks in Advance

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 9:15am

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Just make a simple, loopable plugin of the object and put in keyframes. If you can't I'll do it. (not too many items though, I don't have lots of time on my hands).
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 9:35am

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Gav - i don't really know how to make plugins as yet but if you could try & make some that would be great but they don't need to be animated, stills would be just fine because then i could animate the path and keyframe it within AlamDV.

Thanks

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Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 9:53am

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You send me the images, I'll make the plugins. cool
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 10:02am

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Gav - The images do they need to be from different angles or what?
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 10:07am

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Gav - Also what format do the images need to be in
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 11:22am

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If anyone else has any idea please let me know

Thanks in Advance

Dalder smile
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 11:22am

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If anyone else has any idea please let me know

Thanks in Advance

Dalder smile
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:03pm

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I think Blender will work. If u dont have a blue/green screen, paint one in with a paint program. Even Microsoft Paint works. biggrin

OH YEAH! and also Blender is free! Go on google.com and search for it. BLENDER 3D. cool
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:10pm

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Dalder, send me the pictures and a bground plate and i will do the shots for ya. We could compare what ya like, since thats what the real movie ppl do. gav_laing , I dont mean to be a snob thinking i can do better (cuz i prob. can't ) i just think it might be cool to see who wins. You dont have to Dalder, but i think it would be fun, and give me sumthen to work on. lol.

Send them to aleitch@bellsouth.net . I will help u out. no specific type of pic file, just sumthen normal... tga, bmp, jpg,gif...etc.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:21pm

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Andrew - does it matter on the angles of the images, and can the background be transparent.

Dalder
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dalder wrote:

Gav - The images do they need to be from different angles or what?
Nope, just you pick any image.

dalder wrote:

Gav - Also what format do the images need to be in?
As long as you can open them in paint they are fine.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:29pm

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nope! not at all! i wont get to it VERY Soon, i have exams, but i will get on it maybe 2 morrow. i will take care of the pics for ya.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:37pm

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Andrew - can you see if you can do one of a porsche boxster in sliver
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:39pm

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SURE! just send me the pic, and a bground pic (no car) to aleitch@bellsouth.net


Just how do u want it to float, up and linger and then come back down? Or what?

Just when i send the final product to u, it will be lower quality...just cuz of email, but it wont be bad, dont worry.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:44pm

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Andrew - I will send you an image and a transparent image for the background

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:48pm

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Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 12:56pm

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when u sending them?


JUST ONE THING! with ur bground, send me a picture of a bground of ur area. Like if the car was in a parking lot, send me a picture of the same shot of the parking lot, but with no car (thats floating) ... just wanted to make that clear wink
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:06pm

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Andrew - I haven't got a background image is there someway you can make it transparent so i can have the car on any background i.e. a clip of a person acting lifting something then in AlamDV i can put in a car for example so it looks like they are lifting the car that was my intention.

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:10pm

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so u want a person to lift the car with their hands? or by "magic."?


so u want a picture of the car with a transparent bground, correct?
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:13pm

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Aandrew - hands and magic if you know what i mean so is there a way the car or object can go on to any background or is that going to be a problem?

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:19pm

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lol...any way, yes. i believe u can use AlamDV for that. But i RARELY use Alam so i dont know really. But if that doesnt work, a blue screened version will. Just a pic with the car on a blue bground. But if u send me the pics i will try my best to do wut u want. then take out the blue and move it so that it matches with the guys hands.
-Andrew
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:25pm

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Andrew - Shall i send you a pic of just the porsche then?

Dalder
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please
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:32pm

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Andrew - Just so you know my e-mail is tc@thealder.co.uk
or tim@thealder.co.uk
Dalder

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Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 1:32pm

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all right
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Andrew - I've sent it

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:03pm

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can u open PSD files? (Photoshop files)
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:14pm

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Yes why have you done it then
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:18pm

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yup, let me just email it to ya.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:20pm

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SENT! biggrin hope it works. if it doesnt i donno.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:28pm

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Andrew - Now how do i get it into Alam

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 2:34pm

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Gav - What's your e-mail so i can send you the pic/s

Dalder
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 4:10pm

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Hello people i thought i saw andrewactorman say somthing about hosting tutorials......well if you visit my studio site(see below) there is a tutorial page which im currently working on and id happyly host it.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 6:34pm

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If he has done it then I won't, I don't have a lot of time on my hands.
Posted: Sun, 1st Jun 2003, 6:41pm

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Gav - It was only the pic he done he didn't put it into a plugin, so would you mind trying to put the object i.e. car on to a transparent background so it can go on any background clip, if i send you the pic

Dalder
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*dum dee dum doo dum*.....private messaging is pretty cool eh?....*dum dee dum*

did anybody else hear that?? oh maybe it was just the wind.... *whistles* wink
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Yeah, a lot of great ideas, but can't You simply have other person to throw an object to You? It won't work with car, but with, for example lightsaber (this is what i've done) it looks really good, especially if you want to catch this object. In several cases, You can use playing movie backwards, for example: you throw object on the ground, but when You invert frames, it looks like object flies to You! This is low-budget idea, hope it'll help You biggrin
Posted: Mon, 2nd Jun 2003, 4:42pm

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THIS IS SO STUPID!

Just friggin' tie a fishing line onto the thing you want to float and then PULL.

And if you want things that can't be hooked to fishing line floating, then CUT THE SCENE.
Posted: Wed, 4th Jun 2003, 3:46pm

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I don't have any wire of any sort and i don't really want to use wire all i would like is some more plugins like of different objects i.e. a car like the mercedes s class plugin so if anybody has any ideas please let me know asap.

Thanks

Dalder
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Using blender3D, you can make objects float. All you need is:
-A picture of the object you want to make move
-A background plate
-Knowledge of Blender
NO bluescreen is needed!
This is how you do it:
-Load your image as a BackGroundPic in the Buttons window
- if your object is pretty simple, create a 3D model of it using the BackGroundPic as a guide. Otherwise, use a plane and create an outline of the object. If you make an outline, be sure to go into edit mode, select all vertices, and press Shift-F. This will join all of the vertices into faces.
-Now, switch to Camera view. Select your object, and in the edit buttons, press 'Make Sticky' ( it's in the bottom left corner).
-Then, in the Material window, change the mapping method to Stick, and activate the 'Shadeless' button.
-Now, choose your background plate as the BackBuf image in the Render Buttons.
Press Render: your should see your object on top of the background.
Here's the best part: Try moving, rotating, or scaling your object. Then press render. Your object should move with the 3D object.
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Also, you can add shadows.
If the ground is visible in your shot, you can create a plane and match it up with the ground. Then, in the material buttons, activate 'OnlyShadow' and 'ZTrans'. Also, activate 'Shadows' in the render buttons. Now, place your spotlights where lights are present in the scene, and voila! Shadows!
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Have to agree with Mechaforce on this one. FISHING LINE. Low budget? It costs about $2. zero post-production, you need no software, and it is the easiest possible effect in the world! You tie a string to it and pull! It's very low-budget, but it works perfectly, and it is extremely easy. Even easier than using a plug-in.