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Alamdv: NOT a 3d application.

Do you think that too many newbies are starting to treat alamdv as a sub for a 3d app?

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Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 3:50pm

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Marek

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This is an expansion on Magic's comment:

Magic_man12 wrote:

Is it just me or is ALAM turning into a cheap sub for a 3d prog?
like isn't making an animated plug like this (*Insert 3d Character Here*) just the rendered vid of a 3d animation put into ALAM with loss of quality?
He is right. Alam does seem to be turning into a cheap substitution for a 3d application. Only by people that don't fully understand how the program works. So, in attempt to explain; AlamDV simply takes 2d (flat) images and allows you to skew them, expand them, and flip them on a 2d plane. Since the images have no depth, they are not 3d. A 3d plug-in like people repeatedly ask for would be a 3d scene rendered out to an image stream. Thus, making it into a series of 2d images.

There are actually alot of 3d apps that are very cheap or free out there that are very powerful if you take the time to learn to use them. Here are some:

Hajiku_Flip wrote:


http://www.pcplus.co.uk/article.asp?id=8556- Truespace 1.0. A good 3d modeler to make your own 3d objects for 3D Rad. It is FREEWARE!!
http://www.anim8or.com- ANIM8OR, a freeware 3d modeler to make your own 3d objects for 3D Rad
www.amabilis.com(http://www.amabilis.com) - 3D Canvas, a nice freeware 3d modeler. Only version 3.32 directly exports to .x file format. You can get it HERE (search for 3dcanvas).
http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/ms3d/download.html -Another good 3d modeler named Milkshape. It's not free, but it is definitely CHEAP!
http://www.geocities.com/hamapatch/program/index.html - Freeware spline-based 3d modeling program. Nice!
There are also quite a few places where you can download 3ds or other format models.

Hajiku_flip wrote:

3D
http://www.3dcafe.com -Tons of 3D models, sounds, images and more models, sounds, images and more
http://www.modmed.com - Free 3D models, textures and images
http://avalon.viewpoint.com-3D models public library. Great!
http://www.3dbuzz.com- Tons of great models and tutorials
http://www.3dgamers.com/3daction/team47goman/-Go there and take the 3ds.zip file if you want textured and animated mech models!

http://www.europa.com/~keithr/crossroads/ - Freeware utility to convert 3D models between formats (example: so that if you have say... 3d canvas then you can convert 3ds files to dxf. files so that you can use them in 3d canvas.)
So for all the naysayers out there: AlamDV is not a sub for a 3d application! It's meant mostly for muzzle flashes, explosions, and things that really aren't specific to a certain scene. If someone were to make a 3d plug-in for you, it would only work from one angle, and it would mostly likely only get use out of the person who requested it. Not to mention it would consume a massive amount of time for the creator.

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Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 3:57pm

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To expand on my comment, yes....i agree with what you wrote lol

ALAM should help a scene not make it. in my opinion anyway


-MAGIC
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 3:58pm

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my sentimants exactly
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 5:12pm

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+3 from me.
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 5:28pm

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Yeah, some of the requests are getting a bit out of this world these days. It's mainly due to proverbial "noob's" who don't understand what the program can and can't do. It's a problem we will unfortunatly have to deal with forever. And I noticed you took links from my post, cool! Good to see it's helping somone. razz

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Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 7:02pm

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ROFFLE! Did anyone see the dude who wanted the "matrix time plugin"

lol
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 7:12pm

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i saw him i unleashed my fury on him and linked him to here then he said something like:
"come on stop being jerks, i know it really easy to make a pluggin of it so just do it, by the way marek i saw your website and it sucks"
then i was like
"dude pay attention its NOT F-ing POSSIBLE!! SO JUST SHUT UP. and by the way... at least i have a website."
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 7:28pm

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I hate to break it to you but the kid does have a point about your site! lol

It's not too late though!
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 7:50pm

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i know it sucks but its from geocities... what do you expect? anyway at least its better than darth_pauls with Morfius and Trinity causing a whipeout... my sites a work in progress... basically its just to test out a style for when i get a real website... lol
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 7:55pm

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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

Yeah, some of the requests are getting a bit out of this world these days. It's mainly due to noob's who don't understand what the program can and can't do. It's a problem we will unfortunatly have to deal with forever.
Am I a "noob" because i asked for a boba/Jango plug in?
If I am, I am very sorry and WHY DIDNT SOMEBODY TELL ME!
um... i know it would be hard to make 1... i dont really understand what u mean about alamdv not being a 3d application.
Do u mean u shouldnt ask people for plugins tht u arent going to use in a movie? or what?

(is a noob "newbie")
(i know i am a newbie)
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 8:06pm

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ok... a 3d app is a program that has the capability to create 3d objects (ie: 3ds max) however alam does not have the ability to do this (have 3d plugins) so when someone asks for a pluggin of say a person walking a certain way it requires a 3d app to create it. So basically what you would be doing if you were making this pluggin is making a 3d animation and changing it into 2d pictures with a great loss of quality. So basically what we are saying is that alamdv is made for 2d objects that enhance the picture not 3d objects that create the picture.

hope this helps you understand.

p.s. noob is newbie and if you understand how alamdv works then i wouldnt consider you a newbie.
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 8:48pm

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Franky I think alamdv is being overused... people are asking for things could be easily done in other programs, i would never use a 3d pluggin off this website because i can do it my self, in a free program and chroma it in my editor at much higher quality than you would find here simply because the file sizes would be to big for multi frame sequences. Basicly all I use alamdv and what for is the animating of 2d images and some compositioning.
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 9:12pm

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This is an excellent thread making a lot of sense.....well done ALL OF YOU.

O'l Dav
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 9:15pm

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well like the farmer said


RUN B*TCH RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and so on.


*tip of the day* - use a 3d app for 3d effects - *end of tip of the day*

-MAGIC
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 9:23pm

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Marek wrote:

hope this helps you understand.
thanks... it does
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 9:29pm

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Another craptacular thing about 3d plugins is that they are no good for anyone but ther person who wanted them.

Look at the main community page. It shows Sollthars new plug-ins

if you notice, they are SCENE ENHANCERS
explosions and crap like that. No 3d men running in circles or naked barbarian women running around a fake campfire.

Those (Sollthar's new Plug-ins) are the kind of plug-ins that ALAMDV is good for.

-MAGIC
Posted: Sun, 15th Jun 2003, 9:38pm

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could i just add ?

I used to be Pro 3D effects on Alamdv when I was new here and I thought I was helping Alamdv attract new customers, then I saw people using some of those plugins, eg: the Wings, and black birds etc.

But times have changed and there is cheap or free software out there and and a few people have pointed out to me, it's time for me to move onto different software.

This is a place for a few selected 3D plugins, but as for the naked women, helicopters from every angle and warewolfs these should be done elsewhere.
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 12:39am

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What's wrong with a naked women plugin?
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 12:41am

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Her boobs are fake wink
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 12:44am

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ahh... *dribbles on floor* mmmm... naked women plugin... lol rolleyes

hey look everyone
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Hajiku and i both have every form of contact available at this site! im so proud of us... wink
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 1:18am

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huh? what contact?
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 1:21am

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I think they have lots of little buttons at the bottoms of their posts.

Which means . . . nothing.
Posted: Mon, 16th Jun 2003, 1:36am

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exactly... and thats why im proud razz
Posted: Wed, 18th Jun 2003, 12:59pm

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I have to say that I agree. AlamDV is NOT a 3D application. I've done a couple of "fun" plugins, like the Alien and Yoda etc, but hey use them if you want or don't. Work your scenes out around what is available or don't use them.

I've made a lot of 3D craft plugins - they are a little different and have a bit more use. Again it's hard to decide what angles to shoot them on because I don't know what people want ... otherwise look at the angles and film accordingly. Or just don't use them.

BUT make requests realistic. I agree ... asking for requests of a 3 foot high, grey haired monkey, twirling their thumbs and picking their noses, ohh and have it from a 30 degree angle over the left shoulder ... is just a bit too ridiculous. Buy your own 3D app and use it to create your own scene enhancers.

B4 would probably agree ... plugins from 3D are just not simply whipped out. They take time ... and we do these plugins for nothing other than pure fun.

Please be realistic ... ohh and if you don't like 3D plugins ... don;t use them, just don't whinge about them ... some people have done great things with them.

KermZ