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Posted: Sun, 22nd Jun 2003, 9:31pm

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Post questions and comments here.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 1:17am

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the only thing i can say is:

I NEED! I NEED!!! GIMME GIMME!!! NECESITO POR FAVOR!!! WHEN?!! NOW!!!! mad MUST...BUY...FIRST....BEFORE ANYONE ELSE!!!!!

PS... take your time. but not too much eh? evil rar
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 3:45am

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biggrin biggrin biggrin
This is so Frickin awesome!!! I need this this sooooooooooo badly.
I can't wait to download it! Thanks guys. surprised razz
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 5:23am

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anonymous

Uh Oh. Will Windows 98SE take a look at these programs and croak?
DO I need to upgrade?
How about Windows Millenium Edition?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 5:34am

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I know that Windows 98 is technically "uncompatiable" with the new series of programs, but I'm not sure there is a confirmation on whether or not it will completley just not work. Windows Millenium should be a'okay, but if your going to upgrade, just get XP.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 10:54am

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Windows ME is Windows 98 - they are the same thing. ME just has a few more bits to go wrong. The reason we haven't stated if these operating systems are supported is mainly due to a lack of testing. Windows 98 and ME are as out of date as MacOS9. I really would say upgrade to Windows 2000.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 8:19pm

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It says on the Chromanator page that it has color grading tools from Digigrade. Does this mean that it has the exact same toolset, or does Digigrade have more advanced options?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 8:51pm

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Chromanator and AlamDV3 have a small selections of DigiGrade tools but only DigiGrade has the more sophisticate colour tools. DigiGrade gives you power to control and tween colour over time on animated areas of your movie unlike the other apps. Its really totally different and far more powerful when it comes to colour control.
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 9:15pm

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when are you expecting chromanator to be in working form?
Posted: Mon, 23rd Jun 2003, 9:29pm

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i have access to commotion 4.0. there is a feature in there that allows you to take a matte from a alpha channel or color key and make a shadow from a clip so your composited object has a shadow. You can move the orientation of the shadowe by moving sliders or directional arrows.

Is this a feature or possible future addon for chromantor? lookin forward to all the great new products...
Posted: Tue, 24th Jun 2003, 7:14am

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Will the bank of stock footage effects work in a similar fashion the the AlamDV plug-ins, with users being able to upload their own effects footage to the bank?
Posted: Tue, 24th Jun 2003, 7:23am

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What bank of stock footage effects? Did I miss something?
Posted: Tue, 24th Jun 2003, 7:29pm

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anonymous

Just a though, is there or could you create a sign up list so that we can be automatically notified when Chromanator is available for purchase?
Posted: Tue, 24th Jun 2003, 9:55pm

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oh im sure it will be on the front page of the community since it is after all the first g6 program among other things...
Posted: Tue, 24th Jun 2003, 10:35pm

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The stock footage on the website will work pretty much in the same manner as AlamDV2 plugins do now. Not only will you guys be able to download and upload footage but the CSB team will also be creating some for you on an ongoing basis.

Once AlamDV3 is released you'll see a tweaked version of the current online plugin system released and this will for the basis of our stock footage and DigiGrade preset online databases.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jun 2003, 2:36pm

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anonymous

Could you explain exactly what this program does? I'm kinda lost here.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jun 2003, 4:01pm

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one word chromakeying.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jun 2003, 4:10pm

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Chromakey and compositing for starters, let us give you an example.

Lets say you want to make look like you can fly like superman. You would get some footage of the sky (simple) and then some footage of yourself lying down in front of a blue or green screen.

Firstly Chromanator gives you the power to put these elements together with a much great degree of control than standard editing software. But just having you lying in front of some sky isn't going to be impressive, even if you do have the power to match the colours perfectly. What you want is to be able to animate yourself flying about the sky, this is the power that Chromanator gives you, full animation control. All the new programs use the same animation engine which is far beyond that of AlamDV2. This include a tweening engine thats over 1500 times faster (well its between 1000-15000 times faster depending on what you're doing) and has the ability to create smooth tweened animation paths from very few key frames.

Basically it makes everything from land of the giants to superman possible without having a huge green screen studio.
Posted: Wed, 25th Jun 2003, 4:29pm

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Land of the Giants...that's words I haven't heard in a long time razz I used to love watching that show when I was 6 years old, though I found it pretty scary cool

To the matter in hand - Schwar's explanation is straightforward & you should be able to understand what he means. And the capabilities of the program sound great, exceeding that of Premiere, Final Cut Pro & all these other high tech editing programs. Quick, get me a tissue, I'm salivating surprised
Posted: Wed, 25th Jun 2003, 4:49pm

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ok, thanks for answering my questions.
I do have a green screen program already but it was the cheapest one available and it really sucked. I will definetily buy this one when I buy AlamDV3!
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 8:25pm

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yea, you can sign me up for all of the programs comin out... ha
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 5:51am

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I have a couple of questions about the product as far as capabilities.

I'm assuming that if I add an element to a video that I can change the element's orientation and scale thoughout the rendered clip.

Here's where I get tricky... Say I have a scene where an actor is looking at a large projection screen (magic portal or whatever) and I'm filming it from a side angle. Will I have the ability to change the skew of whatever I place on top of the screen so the perspective is from a side viewing?

I have a feeling I might not be explaining this very well...
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 6:10am

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Vince, I understand you. And AlamDV has that exact feature. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it incorperated into their other programs as well.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 6:41am

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Hajiku_Flip wrote:

Vince, I understand you. And AlamDV has that exact feature. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see it incorperated into their other programs as well.
I love you guys! I'd offer you my first born, but I'll need someone to wipe the drool off my chin when I get old.

I do, however, have a couple of ex-wives you can have... smile
Posted: Mon, 30th Jun 2003, 5:46pm

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CHROMANATOR!!!
Posted: Mon, 30th Jun 2003, 5:46pm

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CHROMANATOR!!!
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2003, 7:27pm

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On Chromanator, instead of replacing the blue screen (or green screen) with video footage, can you replace it with a picture from a file?
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2003, 7:31pm

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Yes. All the new programs will be able to deal with movie files, still images and image streams. In Chromanator you can combine all of them to form your final composite.
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2003, 7:40pm

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boo hoo cry it will take me 2 long to save up again!!! I want chromanator. I want Chromanator... how about a discount 4 alamdv users? Please? oh well... never mind. ur too nice already...
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2003, 10:35pm

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There is a discount for alamdv users!
Posted: Thu, 3rd Jul 2003, 11:08pm

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really?
Posted: Sat, 5th Jul 2003, 1:51pm

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I'm really excited about this product, but does anyone know when we can expect it?
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 2:57pm

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does any1 know when abouts it chromanater comes out and how much discount we get? cool
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 7:01pm

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We get a 10% discount if you own alamdv, and it is supposed to come out within the next few months!
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 7:15pm

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sweet!!!!
Posted: Thu, 10th Jul 2003, 11:59am

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please release another video preview. we have waited for months for the new programs and i really want to see how the program is developing. tard
Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2003, 6:54pm

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As one interface of the new engine is nearly done I have made a quick screen grab for you guys.

There are 3 main interfaces to the new G6 engine.

1. The Object Interface (the one you see here which is 80% complete)
2. The Animation Interface (well on the way)
3. The Picture Interface.

These interfaces will feature in all our new G6 applications - should mean you just need to learn things once to understand all the programs.



If you are looking for the main menu, it was switched off in the build I took this grab from, sorry tard
Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2003, 7:22pm

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looks great. isn't that a scene from DXM?
Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2003, 8:54pm

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Yessir.
Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2003, 9:18pm

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OK - this may sound like a really dumb question but I am new! I have been playing around with the chroma features in Magix Video Deluxe 2.0. Now, as I don't have hundreds or thousands of pounds to spend on professional video editing packages my chroma experience is limited to this package.

One of the problems I found is the issue of lighting, and specifically shadows on the green screen. In the screenshot of Chromanator above you can see some shadows cast by the character against the green screen, as well as some creases and flaws in the green screen itself. My question is this, will Chromanator be able to deal with these issues, and if so, how easy will it be for the inexperienced user?

Thanks!
Posted: Thu, 17th Jul 2003, 9:28pm

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Chromanator will surley be able to deal with shadows to that degree, with surpreme ease of use! It will be much simpler, yet way more powerful then most, if not all, standard video packages! Get it, you won't be disappointed cool
Posted: Sat, 19th Jul 2003, 4:57pm

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Here you go, another little screen shot. You'll notice this one was taken at a lower resolution (800x600) than the other image (1280x960), hence the timeline and toolbar taking up more of the screen. This image shows the Animation Interface (the second of the 3 main G6 interfaces).



This was just a quick grab I made while working on the interface, its currently about 50% functional. I'm working on the last 50% now which is basically the timeline user interaction code and the animation quad.

Each interface is split into 3 main sections:-
1. Workspace
2. Toolbar
3. Timeline

Each of our 3 interfaces (Object, Animation, Picture) has contains these 3 sections although they are used differently.

Although the Workspace doesn't appear to change much between interfaces it is controlled by the interface you have selected. For instance, in the Object Interface you normally want to see all your clips rendered for the frame you are on to get a decent preview. It is a different story in the Animation Interface where you might only want to see the clip you are animating, or even better, see all the clips but any clips that are infront of the one you are animating appear transparent.

The Toolbar differs the most from interface to interface. If you look at the previous picture of the Object Interface you will see that the Toolbar contains the Media Browser whereas in the Animation Interface it shows your Animation Tools and information.

The Timeline also changes between interfaces, in the Object Interface the Timeline shows all your clips (or effects in AlamDV3) so that you can change their layer and time position as you need.

In the Animation Interface the Timeline shows your keyframes for the specific clip/effect you are currently working on. This Timeline is vastly more powerful than the old one in AlamDV2 - allowing for much more professional animation control with all the standard user interactions you would expect (multi-keyframe selection, contextual menus, copy, paste, clear, duplicate).

We have also given you more control over the quad allowing you to animate each corner individually and also move the origin in relation to the corner points allowing you to pivot around it.

I'll give you some information on the new data input methods (yes you can type values in now) and the easy/professional animation modes with the next screen shots smile

Comments and questions are welcome.
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Two things chromanator must have:

1. The ability to render movies of the alpha channel for certain layers, or a Tiff sequence with alpha channels put in.

2. Motion blur.

Schwar, any chance you could show us a screen that has been keyed, and in good detail? That would be awesome.
Posted: Sat, 19th Jul 2003, 8:48pm

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once again, it is beautiful eek and not just because it has a shot from DXM either! wink
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1. The ability to render movies of the alpha channel for certain layers, or a Tiff sequence with alpha channels put in.
Well we will be avoiding TIFF for a start in the new applications using other formats like TGA, PNG and QuickTime RGBA codecs. Unlike before TGA will be fully supported and we hope to also use the QuickTime RGBA Animation Codec in future AlamDV3 plugins.

Rendering out your layers for compositing in other application was not in the original specification for Chromanator - the plan was to keep all rendering internal. What you are asking is far more like Ultimatte's AdvantEdge (a $1495 application if I remember) which can only function with the use of other applications to do the compositing.

Because Chromanator uses sophisticated spill suppression you would have to render out the original footage as well to get the best effect. Although this is possible it would mean that your resulting footage would probably not come out as well. In the future we are planning to add context specific spill supression to Chromanator to create even more perfect edges but this would only work in the internal render engine.

2. Motion blur.
We have been looking into many types of blur, we have high quality slow blurs and some very decent quick blurs as well. I think the last one we are working on is the motion blur - but I doubt it'll be automatic in the first version although that is something I would like to add in the future so that you can just apply it and it works out everything itself.

Schwar, any chance you could show us a screen that has been keyed, and in good detail? That would be awesome.
I have very few complete images about that I could show you at the moment, but I'll try and make some soon. When I say complete I mean using every element of the Chromanator Keying Engine. As many of you know, blue/green screening DV footage comes with many problem - it is often very hard to remove artifacts on the edge of objects (only Ultimatte's AdvantEdge does a decent job). The best way to get past this is to use a combination of keying techniques all with fairly low tolerance levels which can create a very accurate matte. I'll post some images once I have something interesting to show you rather than a bunch of pictures of a fuzzy cushion.
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thats just sounds terrific...(is that how you spell it? tard ) one more question from me and then i will buy the new progs the day they are released: what file formats will the new progs support? because i use windows movie maker to get footage off the firewire but it makes it VERY difficult to get the footage into alam and working properly, so i usually end up just capturing to the memory card which is terrible quality and low fps. if the new apps have the ability to either a: import footage straight off of a firewire card. or B: have the ability to import a very wide range of importable file formate IE wmv, mpeg, divx, mov ect. i and i know many others, would buy all the programs the day they come out.
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The footage you are importing via firewire is in the Microsoft Directshow DV format and although there are ways to make it work in AlamDV2 it will not work as standard. All the new application support this format so you should have no trouble. Along with support for Directshow we have much better support for QuickTime 6 and a host of image formats smile
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Awesome. cant wait to hand over 80 bucks! biggrin
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Schwar, the reason I talk about being able to export stuff like that has to do with stuff like when I used processed clips in the 3d app for certain scenes.

You see, what we did was export the clip of the guy, with all the keying and spill suppression in place, and with no background. Then, we exported an alpha channel of the same clip. So then we had two quicktime movies to work with; One containing the black and white matte (alpha channel), and one with just normal colors (the RGB). If chromanator is unable to do this, I'm wondering if there's a way to alter the color of your clip after it's been keyed, such as if you wanted to duplicate your keyed layer and create a shadow. Because then you could possibly just alter the color of the keyed element to be totally white, and just throw in a black background to acheive an alpha channel.
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I'm sure we'll be adding those functions in, although they might not make the first release. There are many applications for the code we are making and we'll be trying to give you guys as much power as possible.
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chromanator sounds great. i have a couple of qeustions about chromanator and the other programs.will Chromanator,DigiGradeand
alamdv3 be in a package were you can buy them all at once? also when alamdv 3 comes out will we still have all the old plug inns that we have now still be there? and when we export are footage out of chromanator will it export frame by frame like alamdv does?
thanks
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The only way you can export footage is frame-by-frame, but you won't see it like AlamDV2. We are unsure of a package deal at the moment, when the programs first come out I doubt we'll offer this deal, but if you own AlamDV2 you'll get a discount anyway.

It is looking like AlamDV3 will use a different plugin structure, the way we migrate to this is still an issue we are thinking about. We want to make many of the current plugins in to stock footage you can download from the site.
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Will Chronomator be any better than Vegas Video 4's chroma keyer?
Is there really any big difference from Chronomator and the other programs which include the chroma keying feature such as Vegas video 4?
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Hi, will Chromanator have any tools to deal with the jaggy edges you get when keying miniDV footage?

Cheers,

JJ
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Chromanator gives you lots of control over making the mattes for your footage so that you can work around the problems of keying compressed footage.
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I'm so excited for this upcoming product..it will sure come in handy in my movie making smile i'll be waiting wink
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When...when?
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Chromanator Picture Interface


Hi guys,

Just wanted to stick this image up here for people that are coming here to read about Chromanator. As we said in the news the first betas (mainly interface and media support) will be going out this month, in fact sometime next week. The beta will go to a few mods so I expect you will see their reports on the program pretty soon.

We will start with interface tests because the Chromanator interface provides the foundation of all our new software and we really need to get the Keyframe interface just right. The interface has been made expandable so we can add new tools and filters with each update to the programs.

We will be looking for your suggestions for filters once the products are realease so we can make sure you are getting the tools you really want and need.
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ah. cool.
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I love you Schwar... in a strictly NOT gay way wink I can't wait for chromonator, i seriously almost piss myself every time you post cool new things about it. Next week? Thats soon! Any estimation on the release yet? smile o im just joking... i know you wont tell me... unless... hmm... the fxhome chat might have a purpose after all... cool
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 12:03am

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anonymous

will we be able to film on a blue or black screen for this software like the pros do or what suz im a little confused. I love making movies and most of mine involve magick sceens like freezing or blowing up and i just can do that, but if i could film it on a blue or green screen that would be great, so please could you telll a lil how the program will work.

Thank you...
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Chromanator is a fully featured compositing tool, so greenscreen and bluescreen abilities will be major features. More details soon.
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 2:35am

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so tapeing on a blue or green scree will be able to be done with this software, if so great and thank you for your info.

Thak you....
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no.....
Filming on a green screen or blue screen is done with your CAMERA...

heh.

But yeah, it should be able to TAKE OUT the blue or green and replace it with a background. biggrin
Posted: Sun, 12th Oct 2003, 5:52pm

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anonymous

Thats what i ment, filiming on a blue screen. SO if we film a sceen on a blue or green screen we will be able to add a back ground or edit into another sceen.

just trying to get the facts so i can buy it and know about it also.


Thank you...
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exactly wink


and u (should) be able to get a Trial version so u can be sure everything works as u hope....

I, personally want digigrade........c'mon CSB! heh


nah, take ur time biggrin
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Schwar, I need to get those new programs you added,like Digigrade,and Chromanator. If you could be a great pal to all the Alam Dv 2 or 3 owners, and make them Downloadable(trial versions)Im sure that we would all like you even more.


Thanks
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All the forthcoming programs should have demo versions, similar to the current AlamDV2 demo.
Posted: Thu, 30th Oct 2003, 9:31am

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I'm a little confused about the differences between alamdv3 and Chromanator? is one a superset of the other or are they products one uses together?

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AlamDV3 makes lightsword, explosions etc.. like AlamDV2 but much better.

Chromanator is a compositing and blue/green screen program.

So they can work well together, but do totally different things.
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Thanks for the quick reply. Guess point of confusion was I thought that alamdv does compositing as well...

Be neat to see you blow ultrakey and other products like it away!
d
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I have used Premiere and After Effects chromakey which do a pretty good job. I have used a demo version of Primatte which does a great job at chromakeying. Will the Cromanator be comparable to these video editors in respect to keying or possibly much better? Thanks.
Posted: Mon, 1st Dec 2003, 1:27am

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Hello all - I have used everything from Adobe After Effects to Commotion Pro to Final Cut Pro and was just wondering how this package will compare to those apps as far as pulling a clean key?

Thanks!
CK Hicks
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much better
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AndrewtheActorMan,
So you are saying even on a low-light condition and poor background that the clean-up tools and such are better? Which keying products have you used in your experience? I am just trying to weigh all the options.

Thanks.
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Hi Guest.

You have picked some fairly expensive competition there - $500 - $1000 is a bit above our $85. So far the keying in Chromanator is working out very well - better than I've managed with After Effects or FCP on miniDV footage. The tools we have created are aimed specifically at getting the most out of DV footage and I'm sure we'll update and improved them in the month following Chromanator's release (AlamDV2 was updated nearly ever 2 weeks for the first 6 months it was out).

Chromanator also offers fantastic animation tools which we find the be about the quickest and easiest in the business.

There will be a demo version for you to test, I hope you like it smile
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Only 4 weeks of 2003 left! I would argue that we are into 'Late 2003' territory, hint hint wink
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Yep, same question here. Is the Chromanator still on schedule? tard
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Yes I realize that the products I've listed are kind fo in a different class (for sure a different price class) razz I just wanted to see how a nice inexpensive app would hold up to the pricey ones. Thanks for the reply - I can't wait to test it!

Thanks,
CK Hicks
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As I said in the AlamDV3 topic,

I'd rather CSB released a better programme later, than a poorer programme now biggrin
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I need chromator
now.
and alamdv3 eek
peace out
Posted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2003, 1:17am

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I hope I'm not missing anything, but when are AlamDV3 and Chomanator set to release?

Thanks,
CK Hicks
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Anonymous wrote:

I hope I'm not missing anything, but when are AlamDV3 and Chomanator set to release?

Thanks,
CK Hicks
No release date as of yet for either products. However Chromanator should be with us by the end of the year.

Hope that helps!
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guys, get a grip. they'll be out when they're out. until then, just relax.

Don't get me wrong, i want chromanator and alamDV3 as much as anyone, but still, chill.
Posted: Wed, 3rd Dec 2003, 2:48pm

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Hey there MidnightJester, I for one am just trying to get a feel for what's going on. That's what these forums are for and there's nothing wrong in asking...

Later.
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By the way thanks for the update er-no. I'll be watching!

Later.
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Is Chromanator for blue/green screening? or something else?

I think what i've heard about it is,but i read the home page of it and I have to say I really don't understand what the program really does...

I've use Alamdv2 since nov2002..and i use it just for fun...not really to make full movies like some of the pros on here... If it does Do blue/green screening will it be as easy to use as Alamdv2 is? pretty easy program to learn to use...

If any tech or vet on here could either post here or send a messageto me via the forum ,it would make me happy smile

Thanks all
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jedicowboys wrote:

Is Chromanator for blue/green screening? or something else?

I think what i've heard about it is,but i read the home page of it and I have to say I really don't understand what the program really does...

I've use Alamdv2 since nov2002..and i use it just for fun...not really to make full movies like some of the pros on here... If it does Do blue/green screening will it be as easy to use as Alamdv2 is? pretty easy program to learn to use...

If any tech or vet on here could either post here or send a messageto me via the forum ,it would make me happy smile

Thanks all
Its an easy program to use but the results you can achieve are outstanding (the best possible with the minidv format). Yes, it is a Chromokey ('blue/green screening') program but Chromanator can be used for a lot more than that.
Just look forward to Chromanator and there might be a demo you can try.. lets hope so smile
Posted: Sun, 7th Dec 2003, 5:52pm

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redface Red screening would not do anything anyway! RED MAKES THE CELLS IN YOUR SKIN DISSAPPEAR... thus there will be a partially invisible you when you screen.

Is there a movie you can see?
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But hey, when they mean late 2003, they could maybe mean Christmas Eve or Christmas Day or maybe New Years Eve? Just like a christmas gift.
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Or they might not release it and miss out on all the sales they could potentially get from the christmas rush - which btw is when MOST companies make MOST of their profits......*cough hint hint cough*


-MAGIC
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I believe we can now stop speculating... wink


-Adam
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I understand Chromanator will be excellent for blue/green screening, however in the brief description provided on the online store it says:

Chromanator enables you to blend many different shots together into a single movie. Combine special effects, live action and still images to achieve complex and stunning visuals.
So does this mean that the program will allow us to take footage with AlamDV effects applied, and match the effect to the DV footage? For example, match the lighting or color? Or will this be the feature in DigiGrade?

This question is holding me from pre-ordering the program at the moment. Thanks.
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Rating: +1

I will be pre-ordering my copy of Chromanator today wink
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Serdar3500 wrote:

So does this mean that the program will allow us to take footage with AlamDV effects applied, and match the effect to the DV footage? For example, match the lighting or color? Or will this be the feature in DigiGrade?

This question is holding me from pre-ordering the program at the moment. Thanks.
Chromanator is a full compositing package (not just a greenscreening prog), so can take any combination of video, stills and image streams and combine them in all manner of ways. That naturally includes clips that have been exported from AlamDV.

Chromanator has some standard grading tools to aid compositing, but DigiGrade is the application that will have the real power when it comes to digital colour grading.
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Okay, what will DigiGrade do that chromanator won't?

Will you have the trial version out before the pre-order ends?
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Tarn, Schwar, ANYBODY!!!! Where's my chromanator logo???? I pre-paid, I want my logo, I'm gonna have a hissy fit and stamp my feet now!

now I'm crying. sad
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You need to select the 'product registration' link in your user prefs. Then enter the magic code that you should have received in the confirmation email. That will sort it all out
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Awwwww - thanks Malone!
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Ok, I bought it. lol.
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How soon after the software is released will we see some tutorials?
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The program will come with a full manual. Then (very) soon after release there will be a written Quickstart tutorial. Video tutorials will take longer, but they will be on their way. smile
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will chromanator be able to use sound or not?

like Alamdv without sound?

or with it?


just a small Q
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Chromanator will be able to retain sound to some extent, but it of course isn't a sound editing program. All the new products can retain the original sound, however.
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Thanks tarn, thats all i needed to know.
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Ah, thanks jjuerss, just what I was going to ask. I now have my shiny Chromanator logo. Cheers!
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I cannot wait to get my shiny metal hands on a Chromanator and Digigrade icons!

That'll be sweet. The new design of the forums also incorporates the icons better.

For now, the avatar will have to do biggrin
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That's awesome , er-no!
"Fly squirrel fly!!!!"
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Any schedule as to when the Chromanator web page will have content.

I'd like to add a littel summary and a link to the Chromanator page on my movie making internet directory (gets about 1000 hits/day) but I'd rather not be directing people to what amounts to blank page.

Thanks.
Have fun.
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padawanNick wrote:

Any schedule as to when the Chromanator web page will have content.

I'd like to add a littel summary and a link to the Chromanator page on my movie making internet directory (gets about 1000 hits/day) but I'd rather not be directing people to what amounts to blank page.

Thanks.
Have fun.
Some of the information can be found here:

http://fxhome.com/store/

That should help you for the time being, then you can link to the buying page of the product, at least until the information page goes up about it smile
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The Chromanator section has been updated today with lots more information. Be sure to check it out if you're curious! We'll be adding more to it as we near release.
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Awesome, I take it you wrote that Tarn?
BTW, thanks for deleting those posts for me biggrin
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Hey, Im trying to buy chromanator but for some reason it wont accept the credit card. And both are working. I dont know if there is something wrong w/ your network or whatever but it wont work and im gettin kinda heated... if u could figure out why id appreciate it.

thanks
chris
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Hi CX3, we've been following your attempts with consternation. unsure The sales system is working perfectly fine (we've had sales in the same period that you were attempting it), so there must be something wrong with the details you're entering.

Netbanx can be quite fussy at times (better that than the opposite, I suppose!), all I can suggest is to re-check your details. Make sure you're putting the right bits in the right places. You'll probably have to wait a while before trying again, because the system locks you out after a certain number of attempts for security reasons. As you've bought AlamDV2 in the past I presume your details once worked; as long as you enter them the same way it should be ok.

Sorry about the problems. crazy Let me know if it continues to not work.
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Hey nevermind man, got it cool
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Nice badge, CX3, worth the $80 alone, eh? wink
Now I just want to use it, role on the 29th, Yeah!
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CSB, just out of interest - how many copies of Chromanator have you sold at the moment. It seems everyone has that flashy little icon next to their name biggrin

Also, if you don't mind, how many copies of AlamDV have you sold biggrin

Sorry for the random questions, but I'm quite interested...
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Thank u mantra, i see u have a nice lil badge there yourself, lookin good man lookin good haha
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biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I got my badge, I got my badge, I GOT MY BAAAAAAADDDDGGEEE!!!!


hugegrin hehehehe

Pre-ordered and ready to roll. Chromanator is on it's way.

I hope to have lots of fun with my new toy biggrin

Merry Christmas,
NoClue
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whoops, that was me before (guest)
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TAP2 wrote:

CSB, just out of interest - how many copies of Chromanator have you sold at the moment. It seems everyone has that flashy little icon next to their name biggrin

Also, if you don't mind, how many copies of AlamDV have you sold biggrin
Heh, I think if you look back in history at employees who spoke to the public about company finances, they pretty soon stopped being employees. smile

Needless to say, of course, we've all been thrilled with the activity and reaction on FXhome over the last week. And it can only get better!
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I hope you guys make loads of money for christmas biggrin
You deserve it wink
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If someone pre-orders Chromanator for me as a gift by using my fxhome account but a different credit card (not the one I used to purchase alamdv2) will I still get the discount and the force points?
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As long as you are logged in to your Gold User account, it should be fine. The discounts are displayed on the basket page when you are using the store, so you will be able to easily check whether you have the discounts before committing.
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I keep trying to pre-order chromanator but it won't let me. It keeps saying "Your transaction was not accepted, please use your back button to try again"

sad
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After a few attempts you'll be temporarily locked out, for security reasons. Wait a while before trying again, and double-check that you details are all correct. The shop is working fine, so there must have been something wrong with the info you submitted.
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You just need to double check everything even making sure you use the right case for the name (think you have been putting it in lower case). As long as there is nothing wrong with the card it will work in the end. Come to the chat room, we can see if we can help you out.
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fixed it......I didn't type in my address right. heh

So when do you I get my magic code?
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In about 20mins it'll be in your inbox biggrin

Thank you very much for your purchase biggrin
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cool
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Tarn or anyone,

Are you going to do tutorials for Chromanator like you did for AlamDV?

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Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2003, 9:52pm

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I hope they do to, but i think i could figure it out (like all the other stuff i had to figure out)
by the way i think my dad order chromator because it says "1 item in basket, click here to purchase" so i clicked on it and it said i could buy it so i think my dad is going to buy me chromator for christmas. cool uh
i am so excited. biggrin
peace out
Posted: Thu, 18th Dec 2003, 10:03pm

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I'm hoping that it'll actually be quite complicated, with useful and advanced tools biggrin

I'm really jelous now that I seem to be the only one without a
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2003, 1:14am

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That question has already been asked a lot. Yes, he is going to do tuts just like the ones for Alamdv2.

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Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2003, 2:58am

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Well Tap you know how to not be jelous...join in on the Chromanator Pre-Order Club wink
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2003, 4:05am

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im just wondering, what do u use a mask to for in chromonator?
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2003, 2:21pm

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To Clone. It's basically the same principle as in after effects:

Think of it at pieces of paper put on top of each other, then cut out everything but the actor on the top one, so you see through it, and see the other actor.

It can be used for other things as well like cutting people's hands off and such.
Posted: Mon, 22nd Dec 2003, 3:02pm

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You can also used custom masks, that you can draw in point to point, to make up any shape you can possibly think of, and then use this to cover the bg (this can be handy if your bluescreen isn't that great) and then you can composite your actor, car, prop, whateva straight into a new bg, and SHAZAM! sorted!

or as pooky said, you can use the same technique to layer up actors or props, and cut people limbs off etc...

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Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2003, 8:59pm

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If I take one clip of me in one spot, keep the camera in the same spot, and move to another, what would I have to do to make it combined? Can Chromanator do this?
Posted: Tue, 23rd Dec 2003, 9:01pm

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Yes. Like I said, think of it as pieces of paper. Put the first clip on top of the second, cut out everything but the actor and tween it so the mask follows the actor, so, since you cut everything else out, you see the 2nd clip, that has the second actor, so both are on screen at the same time!
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 4:20pm

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Brettsta

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Is Chromanator going to be on the website at midnight?
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 5:30pm

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Good question Brett, because if so i'm gonna be having a late night tonight wink
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 5:35pm

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Same here!!! hugegrin
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 5:58pm

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Hey Guys!

I was gonna ask the very same question, is there a time for the release? If it is midnight then I (due to my cruddy 56k) could get downloading, depending on the file size, and give myself a full day of learning tomorrow.

Anybody know? (*he quietly says into the FXHome void*)
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 7:30pm

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http://fxhome.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=11461
Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2003, 8:19pm

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Mantra

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Thanks for the notification Brettsta
Posted: Wed, 7th Jan 2004, 8:18pm

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i was wondering if in chromanator you can key out everything EXCEPT the green so that i can replace a greenscreened person with just white. and then export, and import again and replace green with new bckgrnd.
thx
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2004, 3:06am

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Well tomorrow's the day (thursday) looking forward to taking a look at chromantor and doing some tests with it. Very excited and looking forward to this product. I'll be downloading it as soon as possible i would have liked to do some testing with it tomorrow the day it comes out although i must pay a tribute to my lost great grandmother, but never fail i will be downloading it as soon as possible. I'm sure this little delay with Chromnator was well worth it as CSB-Digital had a little more time to make sure our product was top quality.
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2004, 6:29pm

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Where is Chromnator?
Posted: Thu, 8th Jan 2004, 7:41pm

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Brettsta

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they say it will be here in 8ish hours in the caht.