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MakeUp FX Tutorial

Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:09am

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Hi everyone


Well, I was bored again one fine evening and so I decided to play around with some MakeUp FX.
(i did this all alone, so you should be able to get better results when you have a partner and not have to makeup yourself) wink


Alright, here some step by step on what i did, maybe it helps some of you for your movies:



Alright, first the tools. What you need is a bottle of liquid latex, a special brush to apply the latex, some makeup that should match your skin (mine didn't, I know. I took my mothers) and some nice colors and a normal brush for those.



Step 2... Now you need an enthusiastic idiot who lets you try that on him... Wich was in my case... uh, me... biggrin



First step is putting on the Latex with the brush all over where you need it. Yeah, that stuff is yellow... I have no clue what kind of moron thought up those colors. The other bottle they had in the store was green, so... unsure



After that, you let the latex dry a short moment. Then apply a second layer. Maybe a third one too, depending on how thick that fake skin should be.



So, now I used the makeup to hide the fake skin again. This is a good technique for making yourself older by the way. Look at the cool wrinkles that thing does to your face. A little brown dots and some farina in your hair and your 80... smile



And now the first step into my direction. As I want the skin to look real sick, i make some holes in it with my bare hand.



Next thing I do is paint the holes in the inside with black color, to make them appear a little deeper than they are (you can use fake flesh here too, would probably look better)



And then the blood comes. Red paint around the holes and some traces of the blood running down my face.
After that I painted some of my teeth black too and it turned out to be like this:




I don't really know what it is... but I like it... I look ugly... almost as on my passport photo... wink
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:12am

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Holy mother [clucking] crap! That looks damn sweet! Mind if I copy the tutorial and put it up on my site?!
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:19am

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Heres my attempt at making special effects (I edited the picture to make the blood look a bit more... red razz):

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Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:19am

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how do you get it off your head????............



did u leave that part out on purpuse?...
hmmmm
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:20am

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It's liquid latex, you just wash it off with soap and water.
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:21am

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eek

/me runs very far away?

Thats some cool cats stuff!
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:28am

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might have to try it, where do ya get it?





i will look on the net.....
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:30am

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here are some others I did. The bald me was done for the Nightcast Teaser and the others are much older. Theyre both 2000 I think.







my girlfriend as a witch... smile
Always like that one biggrin
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:33am

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Some other interesting stuff is microcellular foam latex, and 10/16, which is a dental alginate. Good for making your own fake cuts and things. The only problem is that the foam latex gives off poisonous gasses (Trace elements of Cyanide etc), which means that you cant your kitchen oven to bake it. sad
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:39am

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How'd you do the bald one Sollthy?

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Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 12:41am

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Its a bald cap, with latex covering the blending edges. Makeup was then added to cover the latex and make the whole thing look real. I'm a bit of an effects wiz. wink
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 4:07am

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Latex isn't as easy as you think it is to get off. Soap and water will help after, but you kinda have to pick the latex off and make sure your not in a really warm room, because than the latex will be very sticky and trickier to remove. I got a bunch of tips from a man wo works at a special effects masking shop.
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 4:12am

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hey sollthar, where did you get the bald wig and for how much. I've decided to use them for a particular type of character that populates a lot of my movie so I need a lot of them, but I can't find them very cheap... your makeup stuff looked great.
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 8:44am

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I got all that under controll.. my sister is an Make Up artist for Movies and Television! biggrin
Posted: Thu, 26th Jun 2003, 11:59pm

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umm one question... where do i get liquid latex? lol confused
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 12:06am

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It's an extremely common component in theatrical special effects. Try any theatrical supply stores. If your ever in Norwich, visit Top Hat Joke Shop, they sell loads of theatrical spfx items, wigs, fake boobs etc. smile
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 12:20am

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Lemme guess, thats in Europe right? lol

I wonder what place in the US sells it cause I dont wanna get it online
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 3:20pm

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Spam_Daddy wrote:

umm one question... where do i get liquid latex? lol confused
You should be able to go into most 'Craft' stores and find a section with liquid latex, make sure it's an air drying latex, look for a milky color and it should dry fairly clear. If you apply liquid latex and want it to dry quickly simply use a hair dryer on a cool setting ( don't scorch your eyeballs)
Hope that helps
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Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 4:16pm

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I just experimented with it, and the results were surprisingly good. Two things though:

1) I used some of my moms makeup and it didnt cover the latex that well, so it looked patchy. What types of makeup work on latex?

2) When I tried to pull up the latex and rip it, it just pulled up in a circle, making it obvious there was something covering my face.

All in all, it was pretty cool. But my face itched. crazy
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 4:20pm

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With any kind of make-up application, it is always a good idea to put a small sample on your skin first, to test for allergic reactions. Some people can have very dangerous reactions to latex.
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 4:32pm

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Well, I'm not dead yet, so I guess that I'm ok. tard
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 6:55pm

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I found some at a joke store but it's fricken 3 bucks for 1 oz... thats enough to cover my chin or nose
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 7:09pm

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Big chin.




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Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 8:18pm

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i also need a skin cap for a character in a movie. I was going to make a mold of the persons head then custom make a bald cap using rubber latex. but if i can find a cheap skin cap, i'll do that instead. I also need to make a skin cap for a balding man. I was planning on another skin cap, but what is good for short hair?
Posted: Fri, 27th Jun 2003, 8:38pm

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A 1oz bottle covered my entire face, enough for about 6 coats with some spare. Like Tarn said, big chin!
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 12:16am

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Obi wrote:

I just experimented with it, and the results were surprisingly good. Two things though:

1) I used some of my moms makeup and it didnt cover the latex that well, so it looked patchy. What types of makeup work on latex?

2) When I tried to pull up the latex and rip it, it just pulled up in a circle, making it obvious there was something covering my face.

All in all, it was pretty cool. But my face itched. crazy
Hey Obi! Glad your test went well.
In regards to which make-up to use on latex, one of the best is 'Rubber mask Greasepaint' which will give you good coverage and it'll adhere quite well.

With tearing the latex I would try to be as subtle with it as possible, by that i mean take your time and peel it slowly, that way as soon as you have the latex starting to peel you can stop and tear in another direction so you can hopefully avoid the circle deal you had.

Tarn's spot on with his advice about reactions to make-up. It's wise to test a patch of make-up/latex first, plus you should use a barrier cream on your skin before applying anything, make sure it absorbs into your skin fully, then you are good to go.

Regards
Mantra
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 12:19am

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Sorry Obi, I'm an ass and forgot to sign in, it was me posting above confused
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 1:12am

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I kinda guessed that. wink

Anyways, I had already used the same brand of liquid latex for my little 'Hand' experiment with the rubber prosthetic, and there were no reactions. Maybe the latex didnt like the soap I was using or something?

Then again, the main ingredient in this latex was Ammonia, something like 70% Ammonia, 30% Latex.

Keen observation: Ammonia smells vile.

EDIT: I got paid yesterday and I'm off to the SPFX store to get some makeup, liquid latex and other goodies. I'll try again with better equipment this time. See, thats the one major problem I have when I do stuff like this, I always have inappropriate equipment that makes it turn out crappy.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 3:32am

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i bought the stuff, it didn't paint on well sad, it also got stuck in my hair tard
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 8:45am

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Painting latex on can be a problem, it's generally better to apply it with a make-up sponge (there are many available) and use a stippling action (lightly dabbing the latex on). Be gentle doing it as the latex can start to come off if you keep stippling when bits of it are dry.
In direct applied make-up build the latex up in small patches or if you are pouring it into a small mould, do so in layers or it'll take forever to dry as the bottom of the mould won't be exposed to the air.

Obi: Ammonia aftershave, it's the fragrance for real men!! wink
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 5:28pm

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You can use liquid latex to make prosthetics? I never knew you could do that... Hmmm. Ok, I'm from England and I would like to get some microcellular foam latex (Stuff like McLaughlin etc), any ideas where I can buy this?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 6:38pm

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Screenface in London have alot of make-up supplies, you can find them @ Screenface.com.

In regards to the liquid latex prosthetics, they can be effective for things like bullet holes, scars and so on. One of the 1st things we ever made was a version of the Alien face hugger by casting the collectors video box (which was the face hugger shape) in Mod Roc, then layering in liquid latex. Came out Ok!
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 9:23pm

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But wouldnt the end product be too flimsy and easily ripped etc?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 9:34pm

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The Face Hugger came out at around and inch thick at the fattest part, you could stretch it quite away before causing any damage.

As for the wounds, if they are moulded well and then applied properly, ie. with Prosaide or similiar product then they will be fine. The key is making the stuff in layers as I mentioned. Oh, and you can always use a little latex as an adhesive as well, good for blending the edge out. I'm not a fan of Spirit gum for a number of reasons.

It's always better to make the effects as near to the time you want to use them as the edges can curl up and the latex will go brittle but not for sometime.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 9:39pm

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I have a rubber appliance set, with fake holes, gashes etc. BUT! The blending edge is about 3mm thick and looks terrible. Could I get some Ultracal 30 (Or other type of plaster) to create a negative of the different cuts, but smoothe the blending edges out and use that to make some slush prosthetics out of liquid latex?
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 9:46pm

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You certainly could. Man, anything would be better than 3mm, practically doorsteps wink The thinner the edge the better as you know.Get a plaster that cures quickly.

You could try some direct applied gelatine for making wounds, very easy and quick to use and depending what you are making you do not need to make a mould, for scars or wounds,etc.
I believe Screenface, who I mentioned before sell it. If it's not on the web site give them a call as they have a tonne of stuff.
Posted: Sat, 28th Jun 2003, 9:51pm

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Hey, do you have MSN? PM me with your MSN address, I'd love to chat SPFX! Mmmmm, 10/16, Ultracal, Silicone, Gelatin, Karo Syrup... rofl.
Posted: Sun, 29th Jun 2003, 8:59am

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Great work Sollthar! The Liquid Latex zombie turned out real nasty!

It's great that we finally have a thread on physical make-up... I've always had a soft spot for physical special effects over pure CG! smile
Posted: Sun, 29th Jun 2003, 6:03pm

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I prefer physical effects over CG any day.
Posted: Sun, 29th Jun 2003, 6:22pm

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I prefer a good effect over a bad effect. I don't really care how it's done.
Posted: Sun, 29th Jun 2003, 9:34pm

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Ok fair enough, CG has its merits, but when they blatantly use CG way too much in a movie or just use it because they cant be bothered putting effort into the creative process (Ala using squibs etc) then its just a waste.