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Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 2:17am

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Who is homeofthefree*, and why is he going around and giving some of the good movies on this site all 1's...? I hate that.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 2:20am

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yeah... i just noticed that myself... hmm what a wierdo..lol
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:55am

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Yeah really DXM and Power Corps get a 1 eek and nightcast teaser gets a 2 crazy and yet Adrenaline gets 5 hmmmmmmmmmmm tard something fishy around here! Not that Adrenaline wasn't a fine movie but it just proves that he(she) is capable of voting high. I guess the good news is this vote from a non-gold user who has been here for 3 days(according to the memberlist) and has no force means virtually nothing.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 7:15am

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a while back ( i won't mention names ) but Adrenaline had 20 new accounts that all gave it 5 ( within 1 day ) and the 20 accounts gave all the other films in the top 10 3 or less. ( then never voted again )

I did make a post about it before, not sure if people believed me, but I guess you guys are now the EYES of alamdv.

keep up the good work.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 8:47am

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He, you should have read his comments... They were even better than his votes... biggrin


Unfortunately, they got deleted somhow... wink
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 9:52am

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Yeah, his comments were pretty funny. As were some of his unfortunate PMs to me.

This is why we instigated the Gold User charts as being the definitive FXhome.com charts - it practically eliminates any chance of vote rigging. Both the All-Time Gold chart in the Archive and the monthly Gold Top 10 are the charts to look at.

If this guy or anyone else bothers you unduly just let us know.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 1:06pm

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yeah i was gonna say if we didnt have that, malone could make it so that no 2 members use the same ip FREQUENTLY that would take out some of those guys...
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 3:35pm

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...maybe he/she thinks 1 is high and 5 is low... u know...
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Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:00pm

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Actually, no, it hasn't stopped all of the problems. There is this stupid little punk, whose name is "Match," and he gave Pharmacide, the DXM teaser, and Metal Gear Redux 0's, and he gave DXM a 2. All twisted studios movies.

And he hasn't voted on ANYTHING ELSE. Only our movies.

He is a problem.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:01pm

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Whoops, actually, that was me posting. I didn't know he was logged in on my PC...


PS: HE'S A GOLD USER TOO.

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Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:13pm

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Many films suffer from votes that seem "dodgy".



"The Test" has 3 lowvotes from Goldusers. Mupp, Cuervo and Marek.. sad

Oh, Marek? You voted 0 on "the test"? how mean... wink
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:19pm

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maybe his mouse slipped?... haha
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:26pm

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well it was when i was new i didnt get it. i thought the effects were cool but i didnt think it should have been #1. So i decided to TAKE THE LAW INTO MY OWN HANDS! ha i always wanted to say that... you could say my mouse slipped if you wanted to... razz
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:28pm

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Marek's just jealous! lol

Marek: Why the heck did you give The MaTRIX ARE FOR KIDS a 5, and DXM a 3? That's retarded! tard
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:29pm

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I am the law!



I always wanted to say that. ^ smile


With potentially 'dodgy' Gold User votes it is alway tricky -after all, everyone has different tastes and it is entirely possible that someone just really doesn't like something, even if the majority of other people love it.

However, in the case of somebody voting low on a single studio's productions, we'll definitely investigate...
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:35pm

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MechaForce wrote:

Marek's just jealous! lol
I KNOW I AM!!! cry razz

Marek: Why the heck did you give The MaTRIX ARE FOR KIDS a 5, and DXM a 3? That's retarded! tard
as for this one i have no idea... i think i meant to give it a four but the little circle instead of star thing psyked me out... i was like "woah... theres six stars now... ok then, four it is!" but it turned out to be a three... and... yeah. razz

and the maTRIX ARE FOR KIDS: i voted on it when i was like brand new... and as far as i was concerned it was like the first decent matrix spoof i had seen so i was like "ok... five it is!"

the end.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:35pm

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I think if there was the 2 cinema's ( i know it means more work for you guys )

but all tests / trailers / teasers

and all fully finished movies.

that way marek would not have felt that the test should be no.1 up against full story films. confused
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:37pm

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Yeah, and a wise man once said: "Never argue about taste"... smile
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:40pm

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Thats already made b4... you should have a closer look at the archive... smile
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:41pm

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Having multiple cinemas would potentially diminish the value of both.

However, we are in the process of categorising every single movie. As you can imagine, this is quite a lengthy process. There will be 'test' and 'trailer' categories, so you should be able to filter out those when you're browsing the archive.

As there are so few feature films or even 'proper' self-contained short films here, it would be tricky to separate them from all the fun stuff. We'll see. As ever, FXhome.com will always be something of a work-in-progress - we're always trying to improve our stuff. Maybe we'll try out a few things, see how it goes.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 5:02pm

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I think (yes, my opinion here) that the cinema should have a 'full production' section, not included in this section are trailers, test-shots and random clips from show reels etc...

I prefer watching full productions which have had months of effort poured into them and I honestly believe full productions should have their own section. It would be silly to have the full episode of Power Corps alongside its trailer, yes the trailer is amazing, but it would be silly.... no make that stupid to have the full thing and the trailer in the top ten. Which in the current form of the cinema will happen... I guess??

Only suggesting. tard
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 5:08pm

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No, it won't, because the Top 10 is only the movies of the last 30 days. The Gold User Top 10 will be a constantly evolving thing.

The All-Time Gold chart in the archive will show everything, although you can filter out tests I believe.

The problem is in categorising 'full productions'. Many supposed film productions come across to other people as underworked tests, whereas some studios produce little things that smack of more professionalism than other supposed 'features'.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 5:23pm

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Hm, yeah. Allthough I totally agree with er-no, it would be kind of difficult to say if this is a socalled "full production" yet...

Some people may insist on "Boy comes home, sees terrorist and fights with him" being a story and there the film being a full production.


But nevertheless, I think er-no has a point. The Moviearchvie still seems kind of random right now, having trailers, showreels, socalled full productions and real shortfilms in one row.

The main thing that should be sorted isn't really the "genre" as it is now, but more the production value. If you know what I mean.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 5:28pm

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The problem with that is that we have people aged 6 and people aged 60 contributing to the community and the cinema. You can't expect everybody to be able to get up to the same 'full production' quality, even if they try to. And you can't categorise movies based on how hard people try. smile

The FXhome.com Cinema is to cater for all AlamDV users and, soon, all CSB product users. As such, we can't really start trying to 'hide' some people's movies just because they are not up to the same standard as the pros and old-timers around here.

It's a tricky thing, with no obvious answer. Although, as it happens, we do have something of an answer - but I can't really say anything about that yet. twisted
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 5:46pm

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Heh, you should make that the official CSB tagline


CSB DIGITAL
"We have something cool, but we can't tell yet" biggrin




Alright... we minions will wait then and see what you come up with... smile





(Oh, and as an addition. I don't think the idea should be to "hide" certain movies. I just think the current movie archive looks a little chaotic. And the more movies there will be, the more chaotic it will get I fear.)
Posted: Sat, 5th Jul 2003, 5:42am

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If I may humbly suggest...

If people want to vote, they should be obligated to post comments... I got a few zeroes and one for my trailer. Nothing is perfect and everybody has a right to an opinion, but these people didn't post anything. If they hated it so much, why not say why? At least we can improve from the comments.

I took into account a lot of the comments made in regards to my film. Obviously I pick and choose what I like from it, but it is my prerogative as the filmmaker. But I don't think it's fair to vote without voicing one's opinion... They do it in every critic's book, on TV, in the newspaper... There's always a reason for the rating, good or bad.

What do you think? That way even dodgy votes would be harder to perpetrate... If you have to justify yourself every time, voting becomes also more meaningful in my book.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 7:33am

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DON'T WORRY GUYS.


He gave my film a 1 aswell smile


%$^$%^ % $%67 :&rt;
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 1:13pm

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John - we've had that suggestion before. However, I think it would just result in less people voting/commenting.

Perhaps if you vote a 0, 1 or 2 it should make you write a comment as well? After all, nobody minds the higher ratings! It's just when you get a low vote, you'd like to know why. Although we'd probably end up with those comments just being along the lines of "IT SUCKS!" or similarly helpful responses.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 2:08pm

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You are most likely right, Tarn... Unfortunately. It seems that most people who vote high actually bother to comment. I wonder what's the poinnt of voting low (or high) without justifying your action. When I donn't like a movie (like those irritating tests - thanks for the new formula!) - I neither vote nor comment. But since this is a community of like minded people (or people with similar interests), it should be in the interest of the community that everybody improves - or at least gets decent feedback.

But I am afraid you are totally right. There is no easy solutions... Wouldn't want to be in your shoes, guys...

Keep up the good work! biggrin
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 8:07pm

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Tarn wrote:
John - we've had that suggestion before. However, I think it would just result in less people voting/commenting.

Perhaps if you vote a 0, 1 or 2 it should make you write a comment as well? After all, nobody minds the higher ratings! It's just when you get a low vote, you'd like to know why. Although we'd probably end up with those comments just being along the lines of "IT SUCKS!" or similarly helpful responses.


Perhaps a quick muliple choice requirement where they could check off some predetermined (by CSB) categories of what they didn't like resulting in the "low" vote ie;

a) poor effects usage
b) poor cinematography
c) poor editing
d) poor sound editing
e) poor plot or story line


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just quick Idea I didn't give it as much thought as you guys would before coding it.

That was me forgot I cleared the cookies so wasn't looged in
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 8:43pm

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what is it that you were looking at eek so that you needed to clear the cookies?! razz
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 8:46pm

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That's ok as long as the clip is supposed to have all those aspects. you assume that every film mst be well rounded but it doesn't. Not everyone wants to try and do everything, most people want to specialise like the way films are made commercially. Or perhaps they only have the talent in one area.

What about if someone is just into effects and makes an amazingly realistic effect demonstration or someone else wants to write and makes a film that has a great story but few effects? Or what if one person puts in no effort at all but makes something great and another person tries as hard as they can but cant make something good?

I think it is better to judge each film with respect to what it is trying to achieve and not just try and categorise them like this.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 8:59pm

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Marek wrote:

what is it that you were looking at eek so that you needed to clear the cookies?! razz
Lots of things (CSB digital, USbank, Atomfilms, Pinnacle forum, Expedia.com, cheap tickets.com, Ebay, Stlcardinals.com, nascar.com...) those cookies build up so fast that I just clear them out on a regular basis to keep from bogging down speed of browser. Not the porn you were thinking of is it? biggrin
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 9:46pm

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Since when do cookies bog down the speed of your browser!?! All you are doing is deleting all your preferences and making more work for you or the site in setting them all again!
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 10:35pm

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I have done that once in my life.....it was the lamest thing to do redface