The Prodigal Jedi
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 11:04am
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|A sith lord named Blade has captured the Prodigal Jedi in order to turn him to the dark side. And it is now up to Jedi Knight Kaleem and his friend Kristine to save the Prodigal before it's too late.|
(the image quality is a bit fuzzy not too bad though. I ahve learned my lesson about using CLEANER 5. Never again. Future CREEK STUDIOS films will look much better.)
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 12:45pm
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I liked it, there was good use of effects the lightsabres were very good, and the fighting was good to, music went well with the scenes, i liked how you did the like disapearing effect to when he bursts into smoke looked very good.
Keep it up!
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 3:26pm
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Dude...chicks with sabers...that gets a 5 from me! I liked ur sound editing the saber sound effects werent over repetetive. I use the ryan W method myself so that put the saber effects up a notch.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:37pm
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Thanx for the good reviews guys. Remember to check out my other 2 films. A HORROR called WRITERS BLOCK and an ACTION called the BRINK OF WAR. I will upload them within the next couple days.
PS. STay tuned for EPISODE 2 of my series "THE RISE OF THE SITH"
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 4:50pm
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I liked this one. The action sequences in particular were very nicely shot and put together. Had a real dynamic, exciting feel to them - something that is often missing. Most of the acting was also up to the task, and a good deal of fun.
Love to see what you guys could do with a budget, so you could get costumes/sets etc.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 6:01pm
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Great job. I have seen this movie multiple times, becuase matt is always showing me his progress. He is one of my students. Anyways great job and I cant wait for the sequal
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 8:13pm
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graet job! I can tell that you put alot of werk into your effects and by the way how the hell did you get those grils into your movie, didyou made the movie for school?
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 9:08pm
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I can actually answer that for matt. I know he does not check this board very often. We had a short film contest, at our school. He made it for that film festival. I believe he won best film for the Prodical Jedi. Anyways, I know he has a episode two in the works, he has shown me a couple screen shots and some other stuff. Matt has alot of potintial. He is in my Video editing class. I cant wait for next year.
Posted: Fri, 4th Jul 2003, 11:27pm
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Posted: Sat, 5th Jul 2003, 8:04am
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AHHHH! De-interlace. What does that mean. Anywayz coach I think I will be checkin the board alot more often now. So that i can read my helpful reviews. Thanx alot guys.
Posted: Sat, 5th Jul 2003, 12:46pm
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wow that was pretty good. the only problem I really had with it was that it was really really bright and you couldn't really see the sabers at some points. other than that, I thought it was great.
and i agree with Kyeju. chicks with sabers automatically gets a high rating. she was hot too.
I think that's it.
~Jedi Master Rob
Posted: Sat, 5th Jul 2003, 7:41pm
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Pretty slick moves in there! I agree with Tarn that this movie had a palpable excitement about it: at no point did I feel bored or lose interest. My only gripe is that the ending was rather abrupt.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 11:18am
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Just one question. Where you inspired by the Yuen Biao/Sammo Hung film "The Prodigal Son" and forged that together with Star Wars 'cos I may watch it if you did (I don't have much time you see.)
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 2:19pm
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This was't bad at all. Well directed, well filmed (excellent camera work)... You have a lot of potential, young padwan. I'm not much for Star Wars films, but I liked the skills displayed in this one. Good fights - some people here on this site could take lessons from you on that one! - a story that kept my interest (although the ending is abrupt, even if it is to be continued... As a cliffhanger, it's anticliamtic).
One thing that bothered me at times, amused me at others, was the settings... It was hilarious to see Jedi fights near a Coke machine... Sometimes it was distracting though... Although it's not a bad thing in itself - it could be a universe where people have all these powers and live with our environment. Although I must question: if we have spaceships, or vehicles that fly, why still bother with cars?
A very strong debut! A 4 for the effort! Keep makinng movies, you are showing promises!!!
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 4:36pm
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I found myself getting hooked into what was coming next so that's a good sign that your doing things right in my book. Costuming, lighting, and better audio all would have helped, but we all know those things are the most difficult and time consuming. I liked your edits and the acting wasn't that bad. The real strength was in the fight scenes. I look forward to your next shorts.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 9:08pm
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Sorry but I have never seen the Prodigal son. So no this film is in no way related to that movie. But you should check it out anyway.
By the way I am planning on putting a special edition version of the film up shortly. I doubt many of you will download it considering it'll be about 60MB. but it's worth a shot. This version is Much MUCH cleaner and EXTREMELY smoother playing. So you almost see what I see when watching it on tape or DVD. It's alot better and it's the way it SHOULD be watched. But once again thanx for the reviews.
Posted: Sun, 6th Jul 2003, 9:41pm
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Dont blame Cleaner5, the problem I think you had with poor quality is because you used the Sorenson codec instead of the Sorenson3 codec. Try it again in Cleaner using Sorenson3 and it should look better.
Onto the film, I thought it was great, one of the best lightsaber fights I've seen in a while. Great work!
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Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 2003, 9:15am
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congratulations on your editing skills. The editing on this film is rather excellent. One of the best I have seen in a long time. The film had a very very good feel for timing to it (except for the abrupt end).
Your use of the camera was also very creative, allthough a tripod or a steadycam would have improved them much.
The lack of costumes and believeable sets was a pity, but is okay for a film like this.
Keep up the good work!
Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 2003, 9:19am
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Oh, and listen to v6proz: Deinterlace your footage!
You still have fields in your movie, that takes away alot of the film. Make the footage progressive.
Posted: Mon, 7th Jul 2003, 5:13pm
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i thought that movie was good, even thought quality and costumes and location wasnt ur average starwars, i still thought it was pretty believerble by the acting. Nice job guys keep it up!!!
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 12:50am
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Good job man, I liked the choreography and the acting. sound and costumes could be better though. Thats what kept my vote to a 4 instead of a 5.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 2:10pm
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Ok here I go. This is the first Star Wars film I've downloaded here (save "The Art of the Sabre") and I'd better be impressed.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 4:02pm
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( and before I get flammed, just giving pointers that i think would help for your next film )
More tripod shots ( i know it makes the pace seem slower, but I'm not a fan of wobbly camerawork )
i think the actors looked at the camera a few times.
the sound gets very loud when you moved the camera close, you could use an external mic that way the sound level would stay at the correct db.
I noticed a LOT of the white quad marks around the fx's, take care and time to use the mask feature to cover the lines.
and you made the loads of wrong angles ( not sure if you know about the invisable line ) that the camera has to follow, but you need a 45% angle for a cut to work, your cuts was 10% angle, if you put a cutaway in between then it's ok.
and agian with the cuts, the lighting on the face changed as the cuts happened ( might have been there a while and the lighting changed ) gt yourself a light that fits on the camera then even if the sun moves you'll still have fairly descent lighting
I hope these comments help.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 4:40pm
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LIsten to this B4. Your comments are recieved with half open arms. First off, using a tripod has nothing to do with the pacing of the film. Second there was only on time I didn't fuly mask out an effect (the flip with the explosion behind me.) other than that all the fx I used were not behind anything.
Third, I could care less about the LINE rule. I have my own style to shoot from and most people like the way the film was cut and Angled.
So listen PAL If you want to help me than quit tryin to tell me how to shoot a film the same way YOU shot YOUR OPENDAY film!
I don't want my films to have that look or feel.
PS. I used a tripod when I thought it was necessary. Mainly when there was dialouge and alot during the last saber fight.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 5:09pm
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Two-Gunned saint it's worth it. Just realize, that it is like Jedi In OUR ENVIRONMENT. People with JEDI powers but in the real world. Not a totally organic star wars experience. That's why I didn't bother with the robes and stuff. It would look outta place in the locations I shot at.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 5:19pm
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b4uask30male wrote:and you made the loads of wrong angles ( not sure if you know about the invisable line ) that the camera has to follow, but you need a 45% angle for a cut to work, your cuts was 10% angle, if you put a cutaway in between then it's ok.
That isn't correct, B4.
You seem to be referring to the 180 degree rule, but in a rather odd and limited way.
The 180 rule is very important to all filmmaking, if one wants to have narrative continuity of any kind. Breaking the 180 rule can be done for stylistic or narrative purpose - but if you do it without realising then you'll just end up with a mess.
The book 'Film Art' by Bordwell and Thompson has a very useful chapter on this, and I'm sure most other film texts do as well.
This is taken straight from the FXhome.com glossary:
The 180° rule prompts the audience to make certain assumptions about what is happening on-screen, without them ever realising it and without you having to feed them every piece of information. It is most useful for conversations and establishing the geography of a set.
To effectively use the 180° rule, you simply draw an imaginary line between your two subjects, and then make sure that your camera stays on one side of this line throughout the scene. This will ensure that audiences are always aware of how subjects relate to each other in space. ‘Crossing the line’ can result in disorientation and a lack of narrative clarity.
There are a couple of ways to properly ‘cross’ the line. The easiest is to move your camera physically across the line during a shot – subsequently you will have to make sure that each shot is on the new side of the line.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 6:01pm
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Hey Matt, think you need to cool down a bit. B4 was trying to give some comments on your film, and as we've said before these are all personal. Checked out Writers Block earlier - was cool
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 6:24pm
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Damn it Schwar. Cant you see wuts going on here. The comments made by B4 made no sense at all. Even Tarn recognizes that! B4 is probably still a little aggitated over my AWESOME review of OPENDAY. The review he gave me had absolutley no substance. I mean, I may be only 17 buy I am pretty smart and pretty wise for my age. Now I'm calm and cooled down, but next time B4 make sure you know wut you're talking about.
P.S. Thanx for watchin WRITERS BLOCK Schwar old buddy! And thanx for liking it.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 6:42pm
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what B4 is talking about is not the 180 degree rule, also known as crossing the line, he is talking about a guide for cutting between different shot sizes. If you cut from a medium to a close-up it is generally a good idea to move the camera about 40 degree either way so that teh cut doesn't fell like it jumps forward or backwards.
This is only a guide and many people use it for artistic reason but having not seen this film yet i cannot comment on this instance.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 6:44pm
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Aaaah, I see. That's just common sense, though.
Otherwise it'll just look like a nasty jump cut.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 6:58pm
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MATT PUGH wrote:The comments made by B4 made no sense at all. Even Tarn recognizes that!
B4 made some valid points, trying to be helpful. One point seemed a little confused to me, which Greyo has now cleared up.
MATT PUGH wrote:B4 is probably still a little aggitated over my AWESOME review of OPENDAY.
On the contrary, I got the feeling that B4 was trying to make the peace and get the discussion back on a civilised plane.
Jack Nicholson wrote:Can't we all just...get along?
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 7:03pm
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I dont feel like B4 wants Peace man. He pointed out many rediculous things that only HE has thought of. But B4 If you really want peace than say so soon. So I can get back to filming EPISODE 2 THE RISE OF THE SITH. And maybe recieve a 2.1 from you next time?
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 7:56pm
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That is a great movie . One of the best on this site , great fights , great effects ,and a great story. Im ready for a sequel.
Posted: Tue, 8th Jul 2003, 8:29pm
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To try to bring this to a close.
I was honestly trying to give my advice that I felt would have made the film better for me.
If your happy with your style please forget those points.
Although my last post was about things I thought should be improved, I'll just add something that I thought was good about the film.
Some of the actors looked very good, they spoke clear and tried to act like a jedi, they used facial expressions very well.
I would like to end any conflict for the sake of the comminty and wish your next project the best of luck.
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 5:20am
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Thank you B4 I think i can safely say that that concludes this rift between us.
By the way if anyone was interested in knowing.
I "MATT PUGH" was playing the role of KALEEM. The JEDI with the purple sword. Just so you can know what I look like and sound like!
Was I a decent actor or what?! let me know
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 5:25am
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I just want to say that Matt is such a cool guy and awsome director!!! I play Kristen in this movie and I had a blast goofing off. The next one we are working on will be FABULOUS cause we will be doing more. I also want to say thanks to all the people who have been typing in that I am cute! I think it rocks that my character is a Bad Ass chick with a Light Saber!!!! You all Rock!!!!
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 6:39am
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It was good to see a female have a leading role. not just that but as a Jedi. In all of the George Lucas films there aren't leading Female Jedi, besides Princess Laya who really wasn't that full of jedi powers but that's another story. I thought the female role was wonderful. She clearly took her role seriously. greatly admirable. nicely done.
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 12:54pm
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Good to see Gary Coleman can still get work...
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 3:32pm
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God forgive me. I actually found a Star Wars fan film quite impressive.
I found the way it fused two very seperate types of film interesting.
There's something about Jedi with a big fro saying "long time no see, I need da prodigal jedi ta come wid me" that I find quite compelling.
Not to mention when violence erupts and the kid says "I can't see" to which his master sarcastically replies "so use the force then" Priceless.
Impressive choreography, like the bits when they're dodging the flying thingys and when he smashes into the car. When the guy runs across the tables too. Everyone gave a good performance, not the usual flat expression when anything happens that I've come to expect, the master Jedi with the tash was good and she was a real bad girl. I watched it and thought 4 stars, although after a second viewing I'm tempted to go higher.
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 4:09pm
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It just goes to show that you don't need to have fancy costumes to make a Star Wars Movie -- not even a Fan Film. I loved the storyline!!!
Can't wait for more!!
Posted: Wed, 9th Jul 2003, 8:05pm
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What an awesome movie that turned out to be i just had to watch it again. amazing actors good special effects and awesome sound effects. Love the script to. I think this movie was good all around and has good potential
Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2003, 6:39pm
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MATT PUGH wrote:blah blah blah MAN blah blah blah DUDE blah blah blah PEACE OUT
ok... you can stop talking to us like we are trapped in the seventies... unless its you that is trapped... in that case i would recommend that you BREAK OUT!!!
:::end of irrelevant information:::
didnt watch the movie since i usually dont download large quicktime files... with the exception of DXM... so im gonna say...:its good... i guess...
Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2003, 6:57pm
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I must say that was prett good. I liked to fight scenes very well done, the only problems I found was that some scenes were too bright to see your effects. Other than that nice job
Posted: Mon, 14th Jul 2003, 9:54pm
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This movie was a lot better than I expected it to be.
The acting was good and also a lot of the shots were cool but a few were a bit strange like the one at the start where he hands something over for instance. The current day setting style worked really well.
I think what B4 said about using a tripod more would be good in a lot of the shots. They were still but a bit wobbly. I think it would have given it a more professional look and also emphasised the effect more when it was free during the charges in the fight scenes.
Your compression wasnt too bad. The main problem being interlacing (the comby effect around moving objects). The easiest way to deal with this when making the sort of small res clips for the web is to drop one field before resizing it. Fallen has a page
which nicely sums it up. Deinterlacing will get rid of the combs which look bad but also look to the encoder as detail and so take up a lot of the allowed bitrate.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2003, 3:28pm
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I gave it 3.
The video quality was very poor. For a 22Mb file it should be so much better.
I agree with the comments about interlacing, parts of it are unwatchable. As soon as you capture it, deinterlace. Also, try not to use high speed shutter on the camcorder if you can avoid it, otherwise deinterlacing looks a bit odd.
The pace was very good, except during parts of the final fight.
The effects were quite good on the whole.
Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2003, 4:52pm
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Yeah, the compression crap pissed me off. I will release a DIVX version in a few days that will be much better. Sorry curtain that parts of it were unwatchable. But what can I expect I feel the same way about some parts of your work. I guess all of us have things in common. That's wut I love.
Posted: Fri, 29th Aug 2003, 10:58am
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Namcoking wrote:No...just...no. The ONLY good thing going for it is that it didn't take place in a forest for once, but still a bunch of kids playing lightsaber.
Hmmm. I havn't seen the film myself as of yet but I know for fact that it must be pretty good. Most of the comments so far have been positive.
So instead of saying its crap because they're a bunch of kids, perhaps you could give the guy some useful information. After all, that's why we comment. To be helpful.
And right now you'd probably be more help to film making kind if you jumped off a bridge.
Posted: Sat, 3rd Jan 2004, 10:59am
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That was great! I don't care what anyone else says, you guys and gals keep of the great work... Oh... and uh... you're right....
NEVER EVER use Cleaner 5 again!!! I'm bit miffed that I couldn't see the movie the way it was supposed to have been viewed!!!
Ah well, live and learn...
Hopefully, soon I'll make a shortie of my own... And you will be the ones that I have to top if the next episode is any better than this one!
- Pharoh Amon Khan